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Romans 3
28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
John 10
38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
Ephesians. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
2 Corinthians 11
16 I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool. But if you do, then tolerate me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting. 17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool. 18 Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face. 21 To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!
Whatever anyone else dares to boast about—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast about. 22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham’s descendants? So am I. 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?
30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying. 32 In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me. 33 But I was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and slipped through his hands.
It was a free gift that you received for following, by faith, the words of the prophets.
You are allowed to boast about the works that you do with your hands because you have faith.
The bible is not corrupt, the interpretation is corrupt, because the church is corrupt. The church teaches that righteousness comes through ritual, and the self-righteous slander what they do not know. Everyone who has a coin has God's Grace, God Loves you even when you don't understand, even when you are still stuck in your sins. Proof that God's Grace is free, his son forgiving even those who hung him on the cross. These men did nothing to deserve Grace but yet they still received it.
Matthew 21
42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?
John 15
10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.
John 10
38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
So there is no such thing as dead faith? Because if faith always leads to good works then all Christians will be saved. Are all Christians saved? Because all Christians believe Jesus died for their sins.
Why does Paul say that faith without love is nothing? How do you know a person's faith is true? By the way they act and treat others.
Good works determines who has true faith meaning faith alone is not enough. Paul says otherwise.
If we believe the truth, then it will be manifested in our works. What is the truth? That God sent His only begotten Son so that who ever believes in Him will have everlasting life.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sacgamer25
What determines whether you have God's grace (love) though?
John 15
10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.
What were his commands? To love God and others as yourself. If you love someone you do good works toward them.
If faith is belief in Jesus then why did he say this:
John 10
38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.
Isn't knowing and understanding that Jesus and the Father are in each other the same thing as believing in him?
To believe in his good works IS to believe in him and have faith in him. This means that believing (doing) good works is what leads to the faith that they didn't have previously.
I feel like I'm repeating myself way too often here.
John 8:24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be (The Perfect Holy Spirit with you), you will die in your sins."
Grace means - God loves you.
So in this Grace is a gift that was given to you before you did works, because the Love of God is what drove you to faith.
Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
If we believe the truth, then it will be manifested in our works. What is the truth? That God sent His only begotten Son so that who ever believes in Him will have everlasting life.
So belief in Jesus' sacrifice always leads to good works? WBC believes in Jesus' sacrifice just as much as you do, that means they will be saved whether there works are good or not. Is protesting an army man's funeral an example of good works? If not then why didn't their faith manifest into it like you say it should?
I'll ask again, and please address it this time. If a Christian has total faith in Jesus' sacrifice but does not help those who are in need, is their faith enough to save them? You've ignored this question so far. Why is that?
1 Corinthians 3 10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, THE BUILDER WILL SUFFER LOSS BUT YET WILL BE SAVED - even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Hebrew 10 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 IT IS A DREADFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD.
Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Akragon
Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits
Jesus is talking about recognizing false prophets here. He isnt talking about their works, but of what they teach. For example, a person who comes in Jesus name but teaches salvation by works is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He does the good works, makes all the right motions, but the fruit of his message are bitter grapes. They teach contrary to what Jesus taught.
Luke 6
46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
John 14
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
10 Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”] 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”