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Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Luke 6
46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
Works are required for salvation according to his words... Or else everything he taught in his ministry was a waste of time... He taught Faith plus works...
Not Faith alone... that is pauls words
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sacgamer25
So you believe Jesus had to be sacrificed in order for sins to be forgiven? What differentiates you from the typical Christian then?
Paul is that false Christ that you say I am calling on. I don't call on Paul, I stay away from him.
Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Luke 6
46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
How do you reconcile Paul's words with Jesus' in this case?
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sacgamer25
"Faith leads to works"... no it doesn't (typical Christian response). If it did then there would be no such thing as dead faith and James epistle is a pointless form of rhetoric.
If faith leads to good works then what does someone with no faith draw their good works from?
What is faith exactly? Is it believing in Jesus' sacrifice? If so, all Christians are saved and all Christians perform good works all the time.
We both know tha isn't true though.
So what exactly differentiates you from a typical Christian? Because you are parroting their usual arguments right now.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: sacgamer25
The Christ spoken of in the OT has not come yet...
So how is it that they call on a false Christ when according to them, he has yet to appear?
Psalms 2 Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations gather together? Why do their people devise useless plots?
2 Kings take their stands. Rulers make plans together against Yahweh (Jesus) and against his Mashiach by saying,
3 “Let’s break apart their chains and shake off their ropes.”
4 The one enthroned in heaven laughs. Adonay makes fun of them.
5 Then he speaks to them in his anger. In his burning anger he terrifies them by saying,
6 “I have installed my own king on Zion, my holy mountain.”
“The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my (Christ's) right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.”
“(1) He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. (2) He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death. (3)To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna (Plato). I will also give him a white stone with a new name(Odysseus) written on it, known only to him who receives it. (4) To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter (The interpretaion); he will dash them to pieces like pottery. Just as I have received authority from my Father, I will also give him the morning star (Holy Spirit). (5) He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. (6) Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God (Love) and the name of the city of my God (Heaven within), the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name (Holy Spirit). (7) To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
“Plato Complete Works” – The Character Socrates claims divine inspiration that comes from a book. Who does Plato relate to as the One God? Cratylus 405b Apollo – “the purifying god who washes away such evil impurities and releases us from them” 405C “The Washer”, 405d “Apollo is the god who directs the harmony, and makes all things move together”
Republic X Plato is predicting prophets to come, but he places emphases on the 20th prophet that chose the life of a lion (Christ in the OT).
“620b The twentieth soul chooses the life of a lion, This was the soul of Ajax, son of Telamon. He avoided human life because he remembered the judgment about the armor.” Note 14 - “Ajax is a great Homeric hero. He thought that he deserved to be awarded the armor of the dead Achilles, but instead it went to Odysseus.” (What Plato is predicting is the lion who would avoid human life (Sin) Christ, who is the Spirit of Israel that would come, and that all would think the kingdom would become his, but the kingdom would actually come later by Odysseus, who is one that would be lead into sin by his daemon/flesh. I am that sinner who Plato called Odysseus.
Mark 11 22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain (Religion), ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea(Congregation),’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sacgamer25
And what determines who has real faith? Works.
We've come full-circle once again. Works lead to (determine) true faith not vice versa.
Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Luke 6
46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sacgamer25
Why can you not understand that those with no faith at all can still do good works? An atheist who volunteers at the local homeless shelter is doing a good thing yet they do not have faith in any God or ideology.
That's one of the worst things you could have come back with and highlights your total misunderstanding of what Jesus said. You do NOT need faith in a sacrifice to do good to others. Are all atheists unable to help their fellow man? Are you really saying that and being serious?
Wow. I've starred all your posts so far but that doesn't deserve one. Total ignorance. No disrespect brother, I just have a hard time seeing how you could possibly believe what you just said.
Romans 2 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
The passage is about recognizing false prophets. What do prophets do? They profess, that is their fruit.
If someone professes a "truth" that is contrary to Jesus' teaching, its bad fruit.
By your logic, anyone having a bad day, or a bad few years is a dispicable person.
Ive been a believer since the age of 12. I went through many changes, but my struggle with my negativity did not define me. By your logic, it would.