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originally posted by: shaneR
a reply to: weirdguy
hey WeirdGuy...thanx for the comments...
yeah...i had a quiet New Years and thought "why not go and take some pix"
i have a good camera and wanted to document the site, as its only an hours drive away...
been there 3 times before, but not since 2011...and only ever taken pix with a phone cam...
when i found the entrance to the chamber was open i couldnt believe my eyes...
it was a buzz...
hoping to get back again soon.... to go further into the abyss!!!
(better equiptd...i only had thongs on!)
originally posted by: shaneR
originally posted by: AthlonSavage
a reply to: shaneR
If you know where the story is off the ranger catching the guy please link, would like to read details of what he founding chiping on the rock and also check its source and see its legitimate. A hearsay story on itself really isn't proof of hoax.
First documented by a Gosford Council surveyor back in the late 70s, he observed the glyphs being created over a period of two to three years.
I spoke to this man by telephone two years ago and found that he now works as a guide for the National Parks and Wildlife Service.
In 1983 a person contacted the Parks Service and they undertook studies of the site and monitored it over the next couple of years.
The Service took photographs back then showing freshly cut engravings and stockpiles of materials being used to alter a natural fault in the rocks at the site to create an underground chamber or "tomb".
The head of the Department of Egyptology at Macquarie University in Sydney remarked that the carvings were "the work of amateurs and merely scratches that meant nothing".
Tests on the rock surface by experts revealed that the carvings were less than 40 years old.
In 1984 a NPWS ranger caught a man adding to the carvings and confiscated his chisel.
The NPWS receive so many calls about the glyphs that they have produced a facts sheet which is available if you contact them.
So all this happened over 30 years ago and was just a local mystery until the story appeared in an archaeological magazine and then the internet.
This began a new wave of speculation by a variety of "experts" who only had dubious reports and scant photos of the site.
Without conducting any background research, these "experts" suddenly declared that the carvings were done by shipwrecked Egyptian sailors, lost Sumerians or Phoenicians and even the odd space visitor.
It is a little known fact that three farms were in this area for about 50 years and one land owner lived less than 100 metres from the glyphs site up until the 60s.
You could also drive your car to within 20 metres of the site up until around 2001.
To this day there are still people who will ignore the facts and persist with the Egyptian myth, mainly to line their own pockets by conducting tours, holding seminars and selling "sacred fragrances" etc.
There is a real mystery as to who the actual culprit is but evidence suggests that this may be the work of several people over a period of years, possibly starting back in the 60s when students from a local school copied texts from an Egyptian studies textbook onto the rocks at Kariong and then again sometime in the late 70s early 80s when a person living in an old abandoned farmhouse near the site was thought to be adding more glyphs.
In 1983 more work was added including the Anubis figure and possibly some of the earlier work was re-grooved.
My research also uncovered some interesting information which came from 2 reliable and totally unconnected sources that the original culprit may have been the son of a famous local identity but was hushed up to avoid embarrassment.
So we still have a great little local practical joke and the glyphs are now a famous example of pseudo-archaeology but they are definitely not an Egyptian fantasy.
If you would like to learn more about the Kariong Glyphs please visit my new site.
I’ll put the punchline right up front where everyone will get it, rather than wading through to the end. This is what the facts tell us about the Kariong site.
The Kariong hieroglyphs are recent in age. All the archaeological, geological and other evidence points to them being produced over a period of no more than 20 years from the 1960s through to the last ones in the early 1980s. The people who produced the glyphs are not known.
They are unlikely to be more than 50 years old. No matter how much the claims are pushed, no evidence has been brought forward that is completely inconsistent with the 50 year maximum date. Unsubstantiated claims from locals and people who ‘just reckon’ are of no value as evidence.
The hieroglyphs cut into the rock at the main site and at a few locations nearby were the work of at least two people, maybe more, and new symbols were added at different times over more than a decade. Apart from the glyphs themselves and some demonstrably recent illegal digging, almost everything that has been put forward as ‘evidence’ has been a misinterpretation of natural features of Hawkesbury sandstone. There is not one of these natural features that cannot be found occurring many, many times elsewhere in the Sydney Basin.
The three [or more] ‘translations’ of the hieroglyphs are all likely to be wrong, as there is no evidence that it is more than a random assemblage of symbols. Making a story from them is no different to making a narrative from a string of shopfront names or words randomly picked out of a hat.
Egyptologists have identified many discrepancies between the glyphs and Egyptian writing of the claimed period. Attempts to match the story to features of the site are weak and the named noblemen alleged to have made the voyage do not exist in Egyptian records.
While a lot of people are pushing for the authenticity of the site – Rex Gilroy, Steve Strong, Hans von Senff and Paul White most notably and publicly – each disagrees with the other about dates, translations, meaning and origins. They can’t all be right, but all of them could be wrong.
The hieroglyph site is within Brisbane Waters National Park. It is not under direct threat from the proposed Bambara Road housing development, although is often claimed that it is. Certainly increased housing nearby will place a lot of unwanted pressure on the national park and other land that needs protection. Increased visitor numbers could present a risk to the site by encouraging graffiti and vandalism.
There is no conspiracy or cover-up. National Park managers are concerned when people use metal detectors or excavate the ground – both are illegal within national parks, and there are real public safety issues to consider as well. Most archaeologists avoid getting involved in this sort of stuff because they find the claims laughable, and dislike wasting their time arguing with people who are very unlikely to change their minds, even when the gaping holes in their evidence and logic are shown to them.
It is also within a registered Aboriginal Place, which received special protection under the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Act 1974. Anyone visiting the site should only aim for the ideal of only taking photos and leaving only memories. Unauthorised ‘research’ including digging could result in heavy penalties.
Many people believe – based on no evidence – that Egyptian ships could have travelled to Australia. All the evidence from archaeological finds of actual ships shows they were best suited to rivers and sea-going, not open ocean. There are no, repeat, NO legitimate ancient finds of any Egyptian items east of the Horn of Africa, apart from the dubious claims for the Kariong glyphs and other similar items from around Australia.