originally posted by: Losonczy
originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: Losonczy
There are three threads running about this topic right now. I anticipate that this one, too, will eventually get around to the Satanic ritual abuse
meme that seems to crop up periodically. I mention this because I hope this thread will rely more on critical reasoning and evidence. However, I'm
not very hopeful that it will go in that direction.
Quick question, do you think that the Satanic ritual abuse theme lacks evidence? I have seen a lot on that. My source who works on human trafficking
here in Georgia says it's a tiny fraction of these cases. Regardless, the theme does come up whenever the elites come up. There is standard crime
evidence but there may also be Satanic evidence like Michael Aquino in the case of the Franklin scandal. How can we keep this on track in your mind
The claims of organized Satanic ritual abuse lacks evidence. It's been investigated in by the FBI in the US and no evidence was found. That's not to
say that individuals haven't done this but that's a far cry from organized groups. Of course the people who believe that it's widespread claimed
that the FBI is run by Satanists. In fact, they claim that any official organization that couldn't find evidence is run by Satanists. Zero evidence,
It's my understanding that the grand jury dismissed the Franklin case for lack of evidence. Is that not accurate? Michael Aquino is an actual
Satanist. No doubt about that. However, there's no evidence that he committed a crime. I would like to see all the evidence in that case, including
who questioned the children and exactly what they were asked. The fact that the case went nowhere suggests that notions were planted in the heads of
the children. For example, did the children pick Aquino out of a lineup or did adults point to him and ask, "Is that the evil man who did those
horrible things to you?" Big difference. Huge difference. Were children asked, "Did those people wear robes and kill babies?" Or were the children
asked, "What happened? Tell us everything you remember" without any prompting? Were the children asked, "Was the room you were in painted black?"
Or were they asked what color the walls were? We need to remember that as soon as the first accusations were made the word spread like wildfire among
the parents who then grilled their children. It's more than possible, it's likely, that they planted notions in their children's heads. After all,
they weren't trained investigators.
Anything is possible but we need to stay focused on actual evidence not wild accusations. We also need to remember that children sometimes make wild
claims. That in no way negates the fact that child abuse exists but children are easily influenced by the people questioning them. This has been
clearly demonstrated in the McMartin preschool case. In my opinion, it's ludicrous to suggest (not that you suggested it) that most people involved
in law enforcement aren't horrified by child abuse and don't want to find perpetrators. I think the exact opposite is true. I think it's ludicrous
to suggest that most district attorneys don't want to prosecute cases and most judges and juries don't want to convict. But if the evidence isn't
there, they can't.
Have you noticed that the groups accused of Satanic ritual abuse in these forums (currently "the elite") are always groups resented and disliked by
the abusers long before they accused them of Satanic ritual abuse? I suspect that the accusations take the form that they do because it's an
expression of ultimate contempt. What could you accuse someone of that would be worse?
In my opinion, the Satanic cult angle is a red-herring and comes from religious hysteria much like the accusations earlier in history that people were
witches who had made a pact with Satan. We know how that turned out for accused innocent people.
As for the horrific Atlanta child murders, I agree that it seems unlikely that the convicted person was the sole killer. But was there any evidence of
child molestation in these cases? Is there any hard evidence that a "ring" was involved? It's certainly possible but it's also possible that one
or two additional people did it.
I am not in any way suggesting that pedophile rings don't exist and shouldn't be pursued with all the force of law. I am simply suggesting that
every accusation of any crime, including accusations in this forum, be quickly followed by a demand for evidence and accusations lacking any evidence
be disregarded. After all, that's the only way to motivate people to come up with actual evidence that will result in arrests and convictions.
Thank you for your questions.