State of Maine court filing claims Nurse Kaci's Roommate in W. Africa Has/Had Ebola

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: texasgirl



Yes. Sorry for not being clear. Video here: www.cnn.com...

Thanks for that video. I agree, she only touches on the statement of her roommate having Ebola by saying it's incorrect information.

Is it me, or is that statement a little weird to you? She didn't say it was not true, only that it is incorrect information.

a reply to: texasgirl

Gosh, texasgirl, yes, it seemed weird to me. But then this whole thing just seems so surreal to me to begin with with this woman.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: texasgirl

Yes. Sorry for not being clear. Video here: www.cnn.com...

She sounds like she's campaigning !!!

Shades of Nancy Pelosi !!!



"The Girl from U.N.C.L.E."
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: xuenchen

Do you have to turn every thread into a partasian debate?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I found the transcript from today's @THISHOUR WITH BERMAN AND MICHAELA

An excerpt:

"JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we can tell you a temporary order has been filed and signed by the chief judge of the district court here in Maine, and it was actually filed yesterday. This is a temporary order now from a court specifically saying that Kaci Hickox cannot, number one, go into public places, cannot take commercial aviation, cannot take public transportation, cannot go into any type of a workplace. She can go outside of her home; she can walk, she can run. She has to stay at least three feet from any person. . .
"Now, this order was based upon a sworn affidavit by the Chief Medical Officer for the Maine CDC. Her name is Sheila Pinette. And in this sworn affidavit, she says many things that we have not known before. One of the things that really struck me was she specifically states that the roommate of the respondent -- which is Kaci -- in Africa became infected without knowing how she became infected. She also goes on to state that when Kaci was being transported from New Jersey to Maine, the CDC tried to contact her, asked her to contact them. She did not return the call to Maine's CDC en route to Maine, but responded by an e-mail saying she was not going to go to the home here, she was going to go someplace else in Maine, but then changed her own plans and ended up here.

You can find the complete transcript here:
transcripts.cnn.com...

This is from the link on Mrlimpet's post on page 4. Basically, everything the state requested got shot down in another hearing.

I was in a waiting room today & the news w/her came in. Everybody in the room was NOT happy with her. There was a unified groan when her picture went on. It seems to me she is the most unliked person in America right now. Well her & Dr. Ebowling.

Maine health officials had gone to court on Thursday in an attempt to bar her from crowded public places and require her to stay at least 3 feet from others until the 21-day incubation period for Ebola was up on Nov. 10. She would have been free to jog or go bike riding.

But the judge turned the state down.

Gov. Paul LePage said he disagreed with the ruling but will abide by it. Officials said there are no plans to appeal.

"As governor, I have done everything I can to protect the health and safety of Mainers. The judge has eased restrictions with this ruling, and I believe it is unfortunate," LePage said.

Later in the day, the governor lashed out at Hickox, saying: "She has violated every promise she has made so far, so I can't trust her. I don't trust her. And I don't trust that we know enough about this disease to be so callous."

Zee link

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

That's what I thought, but like you say this two terminologies are been used depending who is the speaker.

To me Isolation is not contact with other people, quarantine the person have some contact but no close.

a reply to: xuenchen

Isn't that the whole thing about Ms. Hackox plead, been a champion for those coming from ebola stricken countries for their rights to say no to quarantine guidelines and regulations imposed to them from states? and the reason Mr. Obama agree that the states like NY are too restrictive within those guidelines.

Yes I call that campaigning.

I think it is important to know the timing of the roommate's illness.

The court document says that the risk to Hickox has passed, and yet they say the CDC was trying to contact her while she was on the way home. If the roommate was diagnosed shortly before or just after Hickox left, then it seems to place Hickox within the incubation period to still be in danger from exposure.

Even if the time has passed now, it means she might have been in more danger when she first arrived in the US, when she initially refused quarantine. If she knew about the roommate at the time, and still refused quarantine, this makes her even more selfish that she seemed previously.

And it is important to remember that the roommates would not have been wearing PPE gear when they were off duty. They were sharing a room, likely sharing a bathroom and who knows what else. This information, along with her caring for late stage patients, definitely makes her a high risk.

Hickox's vague response about the roommate's illness being misinformation sounds like denial.

ETA: Of course there is the obvious additional threat - her roommate was likely in the same activities as Hickox, using the same PPE, in the same environment. And she got sick, without knowing how.

Is this Agent Hickox? The hair looks like hers. The eyebrows are still intact though... I found this image searching for 1995 Ebola outbreak. That doesn't mean that photo is exactly 19 years old however. It could be her mucking around in Zaire or some other African nation! Look at the door of the ambulance, B-52!

I think this is bigger than this nurse. It's really about setting a precedent about how people related to this disease will be treated. I think about how this nurse is standing up for people - and maybe someday we will find ourselves in the situation. I hope not, but I'd like to think I would still have some civil rights even if I had ebola or had been around someone who had it.

a reply to: AmethystWolf

She may think she is sticking up for people, but I think that may backfire.

If health care workers coming back from care for ebola patients just had some common sense, and stayed home for a few weeks, read some books, catch up on TV, sit on the porch, hang out in their yard, take a little R&R after their hard work in Africa... then everything would be fine.

Her defiance and disregard for the safety of others, along with the misjudgements shown by others who caused risk to the public, might result in harsher rules for quarantine. There just might be enough screw-ups that people are FORCED into isolation, in hospitals or other controlled environments, just to protect the rest of the public from their stupidity. It came close to this for Hickox.

a reply to: drwill

DrW, I trust you and what you saw. That said I first thought of how Kaci works for the CDC, what a great way to push the agenda if she does come down with ebola. Either way this is just more of the dog and pony show.

Ok off to read further in your thread...

a reply to: BlueAjah

Purposely infected to further this assault against the Constitution?

It is too ironic.

a reply to: antar
Thank you for your kind words, Antar. And thank you for reading. I posted my video (whoa, the shaky cam makes The Blair Witch Project seem steady). There is also a transcript from the CNN website. The more I read about this case, the less I understand. At first, it really did seem like a true moment of honor--one nurse against the system, a voice for us all, but IMHO, she jumped the shark, and that watershed moment passed.

a reply to: drwill

She is not champion neither a hero, you don't go about "praying" for those fighting ebola in other countries and then come here to your own country to crap on the safety and guidelines impose to keep citizens safe from those that are coming back from ebola countries.

It's doesn't smell right, it doesn't sound right and it doesn't look right, she is a CDC PR as an ESI agent.

a reply to: nerdyclutzyblonde

Yeah, well...apparently this many not be over....posted the follwoing in a couple of the other threads.

This isn't over? I am once again confused. Another hearing Nov 4 and Nov 5?

Friday’s temporary order was the second issued by the court. The first, which enforced the stricter limits sought by the state, was issued Thursday and expired at 9 a.m. Friday. That came within hours of her defying Maine officials, leaving her home and going for a bike ride with her boyfriend.

The second temporary order will remain in effect until a hearing is convened to determine whether a permanent court order should be issued.

The hearing has been scheduled for 8:30 a.m. Tuesday, Nov. 4 and Wednesday Nov. 5, in Bangor, according to court documents.

The first, and now expired, court order granted the state’s desired restrictions, which temporarily banned Hickox from public transportation and public places, such as shopping malls and movie theaters, and stipulated she remain at least 3 feet away from other people when outside her home.

“The three points [the judge] still recommends I abide by are the three points I believe are part of this compromise we could make,” Hickox said. “I have been compliant with the direct monitoring the CDC recommends and will continue to be compliant.”

Not long after the press conference, a CDC worker arrived at Hickox’s house escorted by an officer from the Fort Kent Police Department.

bangordailynews.com...

And also...

Did we already post this?

www.uta.edu...

She has a degree in Tropical Nursing. And coincidentally...Been to an Ebola-affected country? Stay away from tropical medicine meeting, Louisiana says

So was she upset because she was planning to go to this meeting and couldn't? Or is she now (that she is freeeeeeeee) going to go fight the governor there?

And the newest thread...did HIckox have contact with Duncan...

Something to keep an eye on for sure. But I thought people looking for her licensed states didn't find one in Texas. Can't remember where I saw that. Hell, for all we know she coulda been mystery patient number 3 who got cured at Emory and is now flying around like Brantly donating blood. She looks pale like him.

I did a thread a bit back on a Brantly-Dncan possible connection you might be interested in. I'm SURE there is more to ALL of this than we know.

originally posted by: Mikeultra

Doesn't look like her to me.

a reply to: AmethystWolf

Yeah, and there was a marked shift from "following the science" to "acknowledging the fear" from start to finish (well finish in terms of where we are today) in this whole fiasco, neither of which this is about.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Agreed. The timing is something they don't seem to want us to know about at all. They are totally covering something up there/here.Totally.