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"It's easy to demonise Putin," – and he's not a Hitler

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BornAgainAlien





Already forgotten Kiev wasn`t willing to give security clearance ?


Because they needed to inspect the trucks along with the Red Cross and Russia had already known this, but instead of doing what he agreed upon he did it his way.




Kiev taught they could stall it with one technicality after another, and Russia just said "screwed it" and went in after waiting long enough.


So wanting to make sure that there was only humanitarian aid in those trucks was a technicality that any country would have considering the circumstances.



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Iranian state run media is always the place to get the truth.


Good Job.


1) Reporters could choose which trucks they wanted to inspect while waiting on border

2) ICRC inspected trucks

3) Ukrainian border inspected trucks

4) Trucks were driven directly to Lugansk and unloaded with reporters at the scene and distributed by ICRC

And you know what, no one saw any weapons.

So you are defending Kiev actions to let people suffer only so Putin looks bad...?





posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: victor7

Just like Nazi Germany did when they invaded Ukraine...
Just like the USSR when they invaded Ukraine.

See, the NAZI apple doesn't fall far from the Putin tree does it.


And how about the US with the backing of this :

‘Over my dead body’: Defiant Ukrainian MP beaten by nationalist crowd



A Ukrainian parliamentarian and former minister of emergencies was attacked and beaten by a group of radical nationalists in the port city of Odessa on Tuesday. He was to take part in a press conference ahead of the country’s parliamentary election.

Nestor Shufrych, a deputy from toppled President Viktor Yanukovich’s Regions Party, was diagnosed with a brain concussion and closed craniocerebral injury after he was “welcomed” by Odessa activists from the Right Sector, AutoMaidan, and other right-wing political groups, the regional office of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs reported.

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: kitzik




Lie.


And here you don't provide any source that backs your claim, nor do you provide anything that refutes what was provided so how is he lying when he backed up what he was saying with sources?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien




1) Reporters could choose which trucks they wanted to inspect while waiting on border

2) ICRC inspected trucks

3) Ukrainian border inspected trucks

4) Trucks were driven directly to Lugansk and unloaded with reporters at the scene and distributed by ICRC


Wow you really don't have a clue do you?

And what did those reporters find...empty and over half empty trucks, so why were they empty when they nwere sending aid to ukraine.

The ICRC never got to inspect the convoy and never did before they crossed the border.

The trucks were supposed to be transfered to Red Cross vehicles to be transported into Ukraine per the agreement to let them into Ukraine.

And out of 280 trucks 35 were actually checked by Ukraine border guards the rest were not.


Timur Olevsky from TV Dozhd says that he has been able to see the inside of several of the KAMAZ trucks specially paint white for this ‘humanitarian’ exercise. What was immediately noticeable, he says, is that those he saw, while indeed, containing buckwheat, water, etc., were less than a third full. This is confirmed by tweets from FT journalist Courtney Weaver, who writes that a lot of them are mostly empty.



That, however, cannot be known since despite entirely false claims from the Kremlin and Russian Foreign Ministry, the International Red Cross were never shown the paperwork and were not able to check the contents.


www.eureporter.co...

Any other lies you want to try and pass off as the truth?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Research experiment still not going to well, but hang in there, one day it will get better.


Good choice of source, "Yulia Kill them with a nuclear weapon" mouthpiece :



Here`s a more solid piece about it :

Western Journalists Inspect Russian White Truck “Invaders” And Find……..Humanitarian Aid!



Several days ago western journalists were offered the opportunity to inspect any of the vehicles at random and none discovered the military Trojan horse that the Kiev government insisted was packed away in the vehicles.

In fact, the journalists (even those from media outlets highly critical of Russia) found…humanitarian aid! Ukrainian border guards also inspected the trucks and found no military equipment.

Nevertheless, despite fact that the humanitarian nature of the mission had been confirmed (and Kiev had again beem caught in a lie) the White House today described the convoy in terms that purposely suggested it was a military Trojan horse:

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 04:03 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h




Article 62 of Constitution (translation from www.constitution.ru... ):
A citizen of the Russian Federation may have the citizenship of a foreign State (dual citizenship) according to the federal law or an international agreement of the Russian Federation.
The possession of a foreign citizenship by a citizen of the Russian Federation shall not derogate his rights and freedoms and shall not free him from the obligations stipulated by the Russian citizenship, unless otherwise provided for by federal law or an international agreement of the Russian Federation.
Foreign nationals and stateless persons shall enjoy in the Russian Federation the rights and bear the obligations of citizens of the Russian Federation, except for cases envisaged by the federal law or the international agreement of the Russian Federation.
Article 6 of Federal law about citizenship in Russia (my lazy translation):
Citizen of Russian Federation with possession of foreign citizenship shall be considered by Russian Federation as citizen of Russian Federation only, except for cases envisaged by the international agreement of the Russian Federation or the federal law.
Acquisition of foreign citizenship by citizen of Russian Federation don't terminate Russian citizenship.
List of countries with agreements about dual citizenship: Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia.


I can tell you anecdotal case, I know one person who holds passports of 5 countries
Russia, Ukraine, Israel, USA, Canada. And he is going to have more, he is going to buy some caribean micro states passports. His aim to get into Guinness Book.
I'm not sure what is true legal status of such multi citizenship, but he acquired all of them legally.

O'k to the point: Russia treats all those civilians as Russian citizens only within Russian borders, regardless if they have another passport or not.
Only with 3 states they have some other special agreements, I don't know specifics.
A also agree that Russian Constitution is ambiguous in regards to dual citizenship, but there are facts on the grounds millions of people have multiple passports. Strictly speaking it is not dual citizenship, there are numerous loop holes in almost every nation state laws about dual citizenship.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien*

Now you are claiming Ukrainian border guards inspected the trucks and allowed the humanitarian aid to be delivered? Please make up your mind. Choose one story and stick with it.

As for inspecting the trucks, as I have pointed out time and again, the trucks were a diversion. While everyone's attention was focused on the trucks, Putin was deploying something elsewhere. Do you really think it was a coincidence that almost immediately after the "humanitarian aid" arrived, the separatists launched a major offensive that checked the loyalist advance? In any case, reporters are not trained customs agents; they just peered in back and saw water and bandages. They did not take a blow torch to the muffler or pry open the door panels looking for hidden weapons and ammunition.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 04:48 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

And how about Russia with the backing of this:



Russian Cossack thugs.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 05:02 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien*

Now you are claiming Ukrainian border guards inspected the trucks and allowed the humanitarian aid to be delivered? Please make up your mind. Choose one story and stick with it.

As for inspecting the trucks, as I have pointed out time and again, the trucks were a diversion. While everyone's attention was focused on the trucks, Putin was deploying something elsewhere. Do you really think it was a coincidence that almost immediately after the "humanitarian aid" arrived, the separatists launched a major offensive that checked the loyalist advance? In any case, reporters are not trained customs agents; they just peered in back and saw water and bandages. They did not take a blow torch to the muffler or pry open the door panels looking for hidden weapons and ammunition.



It gets difficult with reading so much biased stuff to differentiate what I have said and what was written in propaganda pieces, now isn`t it ?

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the Russian ghost military convoy which was shelled to pieces by Kiev at the same time to let it look Putin was a bad bad man and not someone who did something good...Doh!



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 05:09 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

And how about Russia with the backing of this:



Russian Cossack thugs.



Here are some more videos you need to debunk :

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Going to be a busy day for you, another thread which needs some debunking :

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 05:22 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


Here are some more videos you need to debunk :

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Give it a rest. We know you have a visceral hatred of Ukrainians.


Going to be a busy day for you, another thread which needs some debunking :

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Do you believe Putin is the Messiah? Maghun seems to.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Nope !

With no Russian ties whatsoever, why would I ?

But I`m also not a believer he`s something like our media has portrayed him, but you already knew that.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

In one way he is a Messiah is that he is showing too much tolerance towards the killing and hurting of Russian ethnic people in Donbass. Mr. Putin is being too soft here.

He should call Porky Poro and let him know that any civilians killed by Ukrops will be Porky's personal responsibilty to which he will pay in the international courts.

Got to be like Israel. You kill 1 Israeli and they will hunt you to the most obscure and hidden places on earth.

Value your people Mr. Putin, mere public statements are not enough !!



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: victor7

That was exactly what the US/EU wanted him to do.

I have no idea about what the good thing was to do this situation. Maybe taking over Kiev would have brought even more casualties in the end.

Time will tell...it`s not a stable situation right now also. I have no idea what the future brings.

US made again a horrible mess, that`s all I know.

Nothing has been achieved accept another country in ruin and lots of traumatized people. That`s always something which people seem to forget, it`s not only the casualties, but more so the trauma victims.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Russia should openly tell Kiev and the world, that any artillery used against the civilians like today's bombing of the school children and the RuAF will intervene and take out those artillery units.

That would be similar to Libya where units attacking the civilians were taken out. Enough is enough.

Btw, Mr. Putin, where are the body armor and medical kits for rebels fighting for your cause? Heck, you would not even provide them for the regular Russian army soldiers in disguise so what you will provide for the "real rebels".

These would cost $10M at most but would get lot more volunteers also when chances of getting killed are reduced by 10x. But then making $6B underground tunnel bridge is more important to feed the Russian ego of matching up with the EU tunnel ! Just like $50B worth of stadiums sitting idle and empty in Sochi are !!

Wow!! Russia held its Olympics and is now standing equal to the West. Fake attitude nothing else.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: victor7
I like your honesty. Have a star.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: victor7

$50B was worth it to see Putin hug a lesbian :

Dutch skater Irene Wust, openly gay, 'got a cuddle' from Vladimir Putin

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

$50B was not blown away. It was spent (mostly) inside Russia and paid the local workers, materials etc. I would say around 60% was spent on Russian economy. 20% must have material imports plus outside specialist labors. 20% was "corruption charge" and this money should have left Russia even before the olympics started.

However, there are assets which invested into produce higher returns and economic utility than empty stadiums and sports villages. Investment into a R&D institute with competitive salaries for workers would help cultivate domestic industries and labor specialization. Similarly, for other industries like computer chip and semi conductors etc. Unlike the investment into empty stadiums, other areas would have employed 100s of people year after year and thus give "better bang for the buck".

Anyways, Russia needs to tell the world that it is a "superpower" again (which it is not, regional power at best !!), so got to hold olympics and world cups and make a tunnel to match upto the EU. No wonder most of the Russians want to leave and not even come back for visit for a long time.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: victor7

On the other hand $50B is not such a huge amount in 2014. It is $300/capita, for most of Russians it is once in a lifetime event.

USA going into debt at the rate of $100B per month, or roughly $300/capita every month.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: kitzik

$50B not a big amount in 2014? Get real pal, get real !!

Also quit hiding the negative points by attacking on others. In this case, the US debt.

Bottomline is Russia is not a superpower anymore and hence should stop trying boost its ego.......in a false manner.

Go 30 kms outside Moscow and it is a world 30 years lost in time.




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