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"It's easy to demonise Putin," – and he's not a Hitler

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posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


And here`s nr 4


Seriously?


The anti-Semitic incident in Crimea took place the same day that the Russians began to take over the peninsula.


Coincidence?




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: angelchemuel


Erm....shouldn't that be communist?
Just asking for clarification


No. Russia has a strong centralized government that dictates citizens' private lives, controls the press, relies on armed force to expand its territory, but allows private capital. Those are the characteristics of fascism, not communism. Communism does not permit private capital.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


Ukraine condemns 'direct invasion' as Russian aid convoy crosses border


Because:



– the vehicles passed through a Ukrainian border post controlled by pro-Russia fighters. Rebels in cars escorted the convoy, which moved ahead without observers from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

... the convoy's drivers were Russian military forces members trained to drive combat vehicles and the half-empty trucks would be used to move weapons and bring the bodies of Russian fighters out of Ukraine.


Read, please.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Oh, OK, a technicality then


Take it you've informed the White House they are dealing with a fascist regime and not a communist one?
Can we take it that fascism is alive and kicking in Imperial China too?

*goes off mumbling about re-writing history books*


Jane



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:25 AM
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Take it you've informed the White House they are dealing with a fascist regime and not a communist one?


Yes, the White House certainly knows, but they are too polite to use that expression in public.


Can we take it that fascism is alive and kicking in Imperial China too?


It is the traditional form of government in China, although the Celestial Emperor has been replaced by a Central Committee.


*goes off mumbling about re-writing history books*


Welcome to the twenty first century. Oh, and there is a Caliphate again now.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

The very first day the limited Russia forces who came in were ordered to a very special mission...paint a swastika on a Synagog...hmmm, still thinking about that one?



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien


Ukraine condemns 'direct invasion' as Russian aid convoy crosses border


Because:



– the vehicles passed through a Ukrainian border post controlled by pro-Russia fighters. Rebels in cars escorted the convoy, which moved ahead without observers from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

... the convoy's drivers were Russian military forces members trained to drive combat vehicles and the half-empty trucks would be used to move weapons and bring the bodies of Russian fighters out of Ukraine.


Read, please.



Now were they or weren`t they allow to enter ?

You said they were, now what is it ?

edit on 30-9-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001

The very first day the limited Russia forces who came in were ordered to a very special mission...paint a swastika on a Synagog...hmmm, still thinking about that one?


No. It was a gesture of support by the people of Crimea.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 09:12 AM
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Now were they or weren`t they allow to enter ?

You said they were, now what is it ?


Here you go:


Ukraine Minister of Social Policy Lyudmila Denisova has signed an order officially recognizing the Russian convoy stuck at the border as humanitarian aid cargo of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

"In accordance with Articles 4 and 5 of the Law of Ukraine 'On Humanitarian Aid' considering the initiative of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on receiving humanitarian aid within the framework of international humanitarian missions under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to recognize the cargo as humanitarian aid,” the document reads.

Russian and Ukrainian officials have agreed on Sunday to proceed with the inspection of the first group of 16 Russian trucks of the humanitarian convoy, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said.


rt.com...

The problem is, Putin refused to co-operate, so the convoys had to enter illegally through Russian controlled border crossings. The Ukrainians made no attempt to stop the convoys by force. There have been three so far and none of them were attacked, so that looks like tacit permission to me.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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Already forgotten Kiev wasn`t willing to give security clearance ?

Kiev taught they could stall it with one technicality after another, and Russia just said "screwed it" and went in after waiting long enough.



The West and NATO are also desperate to deny Russia a diplomatic victory with the humanitarian relief convoy, so they have been dragging the process out. One of their goals is to literally starve out the civilian populations in eastern cities to collapse whatever public support there is for the separation movement. All the false Russian aggression stories are primarily a smokescreen for the real aggression being done by Kiev and its sponsors. They are controlling the momentum that way.


Source

So they weren't allowed to go in when they did, now did they ?



But they eventually did allow aid to be delivered, even though Putin refused to cooperate with the Red Cross!




At least I acknowledge when I am wrong.


So waiting for acknowledgement that your claim was wrong ?



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 10:27 AM
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PressTV? Now there is a reputable source. Try as you might, you can't get around the fact that Putin refused to cooperate with the IRC. All he did was play mind games. Did Kyiv attack the convoys? If they didn't they were allowing them through, weren't they?

I will acknowledge being wrong whenever I'm wrong. You will never acknowledge when you are wrong.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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Kiev tried its best to delay or even deny the convoy despite situation being intensely hard in Lughansk. Moscow did fine by going ahead to tend to people rather than stupid administrative formalities.

Fighting in Donetsk Airport is scaling up. It seems once the airport is taken by NAF, a full invasion with Russian troops in disguise will follow and go all the way to Odessa. This should be done by middle of October at least.




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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Already forgotten Kiev wasn`t willing to give security clearance ?


Because they needed to inspect the trucks along with the Red Cross and Russia had already known this, but instead of doing what he agreed upon he did it his way.




Kiev taught they could stall it with one technicality after another, and Russia just said "screwed it" and went in after waiting long enough.


So wanting to make sure that there was only humanitarian aid in those trucks was a technicality that any country would have considering the circumstances.



Source


Iranian state run media is always the place to get the truth.


Good Job.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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Fighting in Donetsk Airport is scaling up. It seems once the airport is taken by NAF, a full invasion with Russian troops in disguise will follow and go all the way to Odessa.


You read a lot of Tom Clancey books don't you?

Russian troops have no right to be in Ukraine, so if they do the conflict then gets real serious.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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It only makes right sense. There is huge huge jam at the ferry transit between Russia and Crimea. Several km long cars waiting for ferry would not be possible in winter. Delivering goods and supplies via ships also not that well possible during winter. Kerch port freezes up. Air is too expensive. The earliest a bridge on sea can be made is 2018. Making a land bridge is only long term viable solution. If Putin does not make a land bridge then people in Crimea would feel neglected.

No problem with Russian troops in rebel disguise. It happened already in the last week of August. Only about time DPR sets about to taking Mariupol.

Junta does not understand, they better give up half of Ukraine to keep the other half. If not, then they might lose 90% of what they called Ukraine with mass deportations to the small patch of fascist territory by the Polish border.




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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Just like Nazi Germany did when they invaded Ukraine...
Just like the USSR when they invaded Ukraine.

See, the NAZI apple doesn't fall far from the Putin tree does it.
edit on 30-9-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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It would be rather only those who identified with Nazi parties like Right Sector etc. There has been too much destruction done to Donbass region's residential and commercial areas...........on purpose by Ukrops. Why are you overlooking those facts. 3500 civilians were not killed by summer mosquitos alone.

What is happening in Kharkiv and area. About time this nonsense needs to end and Putin has to take a decisive step soon.




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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It only makes right sense. There is huge huge jam at the ferry transit between Russia and Crimea. Several km long cars waiting for ferry would not be possible in winter. Delivering goods and supplies via ships also not that well possible during winter. Kerch port freezes up. Air is too expensive. The earliest a bridge on sea can be made is 2018.


And how is any of this Ukraine's problem, and that still doesn't give RUssia the right to send in more troops into Ukraine.




No problem with Russian troops in rebel disguise. It happened already in the last week of August. Only about time DPR sets about to taking Mariupol.


Well glad to see you are finally admitting Russia has had troops in Ukraine the whole time.





Junta does not understand, they better give up half of Ukraine to keep the other half. If not, then they might lose 90% of what they called Ukraine with mass deportations to the small patch of fascist territory by the Polish border.



I have to ask...do you know what the word junta means?

Because by the definition Ukraine is not a junta...


jun•ta (ˈhʊn tə, ˈdʒʌn-, ˈhʌn-)

n., pl. -tas.
1. a small group ruling a country, esp. immediately after a coup d'état and before a legally constituted government has been instituted.
2. a deliberative or administrative council, esp. in Spain and Latin America.


www.thefreedictionary.com...

And they do have a legally constituted government.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:24 PM
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Nobody gives any right to anybody. Nobody gave a right to USA to invade Iraq or Yugoslavia.

Russia does not need you to give her a right.

You forget the proverb "Might is right". Russia can because it has the power; the power to stop the madness at its borders.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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Russia has no martial law declared. The State may be using strong arm tactics sometime, but is is very selective. People are going about their work as normal.

The West is sick. The egoistic West sees itself as God whose every action must have immediate effect. My advice is - come our of your stupor. Start to see your own lies.

Most of your actions are failing. The war on terror since 2001 has yielded only temporary results, and now terrorists are exploding all over the world. The Muslim populations in YOUR OWN countries are feeding the terrorists. What have you done?

The West is seized with inaction. It is engaged in shadow boxing.



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