License Plate Readers appear Overnight on Interstate 5...Not a word to the Public.

True Story...

My brothers friend was driving his car.

My Brother had some unpaid fines.

Cop pulls over friend. He was looking for my brother for unpaid license fees.

Cop said an alert went off on his plate reader.

Nothing at all to do with a stolen vehicle.

These are becoming the norm all over.

originally posted by: Lynk3
Every time I see a thread where the government finds a new way to track people in public, I see ATSers complaining about privacy rights infringement. Sorry, but privacy doesnt exist in public. If you're so scared of being tracked, how about you stop doing wrong and then you'll have nothing to worry about.

Was anything learned from reading those threads? Such as it was was already discussed here:www.abovetopsecret.com...

Also, the ACLU last year released the extensive report, “You Are Being Tracked: How License Plate Readers Are Being Used To Record Americans’ Movements.” Source

Every time I see a thread where the government finds a new way to track people in public, I see ATSers proclaiming privacy doesn't exist in public and "If you're doing wrong and then you'll have nothing to worry about."

a reply to: Jesuslives4u

The guy was from Austria and stated this device could be built for approx 100 Euros (maybe it was a bit more but not expensive to build. I also think he has a patent on it.

immobilzer systems are easy to get around and bypass.

True, this stuff is more prevalent today, compared to five years ago, but it's not something every criminal has access to. The old scene where kids would joyride, and career criminals would jack a car any time they need them is simply not the case like it was in 60s-90s.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And how many chop shops do you know around you, because the normal law abiding citizens do not know where a chop shop is...because again that get's you caught. And as far as them selling these cars...yes they do but again most of those who have had their cars stolen aren't just letting people steal them for insurance fraud.

Not saying it doesn't happen, but that percentage of US citizens is very, very small.

Actually no, you're wrong. The stats (as another poster linked the FBI stats on grand theft) actually car jacking only makes up 3% or something. The reason the numbers are high are from large scale operations where the schemes I mentioned are employed.

Lets say a leasing company is set up and lease a dozen cars and those cars end up on a container. The same guys might have agents that prey on people short of cash and offer to give them a few grand while they take their car, while they are working, report it stolen after their shift and enough time has gone by to get the car out. The same agents will look for strippers, lowlifes, people down and out on their luck, to go jack their credit up enough to get a car, simply so it can be boosted and get insurance.

Sometimes the cars are vinned, where they go to auction and buy a non branded car thats worse piss, swap out the vins, or find people selling vin kits, swap out the vins on the stolen car for clean ones.

This stuff is in the news every year, a big ring will go down, and we are talking about hundreds and hundreds of cars (if not thousands), that the police attribute to them.

That I believe is where the greatest chunk of the stats are coming from. Especially after anti-theft was installed. Since we see a near 50% drop in most places that have it when it first went in, you have to think, what kind of theft is left after?

originally posted by: adjensen
a reply to: boncho

There's no such thing as a "stolen car" anymore, ever since they put immobilizer chips in, which are mandatory in North America now (I believe).

Not unless you only consider North America to only consist of Canada.

Immobilisers have been mandatory in all new cars sold in Germany since 1 January 1998, in the United Kingdom since 1 October 1998, in Finland since 1998, in Australia since 2001 and in Canada since 2007. (Source)

According to the FBI, there were 721,053 motor vehicle thefts in 2012, which is a heck of a lot more than zero.

I am pretty sure the US still has them, they did see their auto theft cut in half since the 90s. Thats a big drop no?

Thefts By Model: The National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) reports that the Honda Accord was the most frequently stolen passenger vehicle in 2013, with 53,995 thefts among all model years of this car. The Honda Civic ranked second, with 45,001 thefts. The NICB notes that older Honda Accords and Civics account for these most of these thefts. Newer Hondas are rarely stolen, due to improved antitheft technology.

www.iii.org...

I can't find anything on whether or not its mandatory in the US but I found this:

It may explain, for example, why crime started falling later in Canada than in America: immobilisers were not mandated in Canada until 2007.

www.economist.com...

Eventually we will not need license plates, butt implantable GPS devices are already in the works.... it will connect to your car, to your relatives cars and to your shoes and clothing etc.... Ted Kaczynski worst nightmare!

a reply to: whyamIhere

My friend just got a ticket from one of these things two days ago...and he was in a rental car.

They have had license plate readers on the highways to Reno and Las Vegas for years.

Gang members some times steal cars in calif for trips to reno and Las Vegas and they are also used to spot stolen big rigs being taken out of state.
They are mounted near the weight stations and ag check stations in calif. as these are used as bases for the CHP units in the area.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Honestly, we would need an actual picture to determine what it is. There are traffic sensors that emit K-band as well as Doppler traffic sensors that basically use radar to monitor traffic flow.

If it doesn't have a lens it's most likely a K-band or Doppler traffic flow monitor.

Here's a link to a company out of San Jose, CA showing their Doppler monitor AND their InfraredCountsensor. Neither seem to be tracking specific vehicles rather traffic data.

SpeedInfo

a reply to: whyamIhere

So you were in San Diego, and post a picture from an intersection in Compton, Los Angeles?

And no one else smells 'troll bait'?

originally posted by: abecedarian
a reply to: whyamIhere

So you were in San Diego, and post a picture from an intersection in Compton, Los Angeles?

And no one else smells 'troll bait'?

You didn't read the post where I said I pulled the picture as an example.

I described what I actually saw.

So yes, I do smell troll bait...Sheesh

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: abecedarian
a reply to: whyamIhere

So you were in San Diego, and post a picture from an intersection in Compton, Los Angeles?

And no one else smells 'troll bait'?

You didn't read the post where I said I pulled the picture as an example.

I described what I actually saw.

So yes, I do smell troll bait...Sheesh

Ummm... yeah, okay.

Your OP... doesn't present that information, so you are intentionally, blatantly, presenting false information and distracting people under false pretense.

a reply to: abecedarian

You are completely lost.

Distracting people under false pretense ?

Please read the entire thread if you choose to comment.

*Read the Link it will be quite helpful.

Then you can apologize for your baseless accusations.

a reply to: whyamIhere

That did mislead me too, though at first. I understand in your reply it wasn't the devices you saw. Others might be confused, though.

Are you still intending to get a pic?

Reason I ask is up north we have cameras at every intersection now and nobody seems to care. There are two types. "Eye in the sky" black domes (Casino types) and long focal length tubes that look down on intersections from the traffic signal pole dross bar. Both types can zoom in to count the fillings in your teeth.

Iv'e seen web content of hackers tuning in to these (they are also wireless) and the resolution is amazingly clear. When you are sitting at a light in my town, smile you are on candid camera…

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: whyamIhere

That did mislead me too, though at first. I understand in your reply it wasn't the devices you saw. Others might be confused, though.

Are you still intending to get a pic?

Reason I ask is up north we have cameras at every intersection now and nobody seems to care. There are two types. "Eye in the sky" black domes (Casino types) and long focal length tubes that look down on intersections from the traffic signal pole dross bar. Both types can zoom in to count the fillings in your teeth.

Iv'e seen web content of hackers tuning in to these (they are also wireless) and the resolution is amazingly clear. When you are sitting at a light in my town, smile you are on candid camera…

Yes, it is on a very dangerous stretch of the 5.

I will have to go out there early on Saturday morning.

I don't want to die getting a pic. I even tried to get there from the backside.

I'm positive that is what it is. Why have one pointed both directions ?

They have cameras all over the highway. These are new and different.

They did not appear to have two lenses. Most of the readers I saw had two.

I will get the picture...Let me update my Will first...

I have no reason to hoax or deceive anybody. Please be patient.

a reply to: whyamIhere

I will get the picture...Let me update my Will first...

I have no reason to hoax or deceive anybody. Please be patient.

Then don't go there. I wouldn't. I had a look at Kadinsky's link back a page, That has good photos of current tech being used.