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Russia 'abducts' Estonian officer after Obama says US will defend Estonia

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posted on Sep, 6 2014 @ 11:54 PM
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My first thought would be that Putin has zero respect for Obama, and so is doing this to spit in his face. Obama has never done anything legitimately to garner respect from friend or foe, so this isn't a surprise to see. Obama fits the role of ass clown better than leader of a country. His foreign relations people remind me of some sort of circus side show, not real diplomats.




posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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I wonder if there's any satellite imagery this time



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
My first thought would be that Putin has zero respect for Obama, and so is doing this to spit in his face. Obama has never done anything legitimately to garner respect from friend or foe, so this isn't a surprise to see. Obama fits the role of ass clown better than leader of a country. His foreign relations people remind me of some sort of circus side show, not real diplomats.


To be fair, our system of government shuns foreign relations as a consequence of elections. It's a power that should be with congress. You can't have any consistent form of foreign policy as a nation when the person in charge changes every 4 years. In that type of situation no one in their right mind will ever want to be involved with you for anything beyond the short term.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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I wonder what level of political upheaval is going on in Russia. It appears as though both Russia and the US are desperate for war in order to distract the public from focusing on their tyrannical overlords.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

You're probably right. It just gets annoying sometimes that he seems to accuse everyone with an opposing view of being a "Russian shill".



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: humanityrising
I wonder what level of political upheaval is going on in Russia. It appears as though both Russia and the US are desperate for war in order to distract the public from focusing on their tyrannical overlords.


It's less about the US and more about NATO. Putin is attempting to render NATO powerless so that there's not a major coalition against him. He has Europe over an oil barrel, he has the US locked down and fighting elsewhere, and he has countries seeking help from NATO getting beaten with no forthcoming assistance.

It's not about war, Putin knows it will never come to that (with the US/NATO anyways).

So far Putin is running around unopposed, and he's going to continue until NATO is destroyed.

If we hadn't have preemptively invaded two countries and destabilized the entire middle east, we would be able to fight back with force and actually prevent precisely what is going on here. Oh well.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Estonia is the pedo/human trafficking hub/capital of the world. Obama wants to support that?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: Thurisaz
a reply to: Xcathdra

Estonia is the pedo/human trafficking hub/capital of the world. Obama wants to support that?




Im really not sure what that has to do with Russia kidnapping an Estonian officer.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: Xcathdra




I see we have another member of the just joined lets go to the Ukraine thread group. Dont you guys ever get tired of creating account after account to post?


That members join date is Jan 2013.....maybe you should apologize?


Clearly Xcathdra clicked 'reply' on the wrong post. Check the registration dates below Adalcatif's post.

No apology is necessary.


Correct and thank you.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:13 AM
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Sure tiny Estonia dreams of defeating Russia with the support of USA. Understandable.

So Estonians can openly carry out subversive activities in Russia because Uncle Sam is here to protect. The logic is sound.

Keep on going with this logic.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
My first thought would be that Putin has zero respect for Obama, and so is doing this to spit in his face. Obama has never done anything legitimately to garner respect from friend or foe, so this isn't a surprise to see. Obama fits the role of ass clown better than leader of a country. His foreign relations people remind me of some sort of circus side show, not real diplomats.


Putin is making it personal...

When one sets out on a journey of personal revenge, the person should dig 2 graves before they start.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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The Americans are playing a great game with certain East European states that want to avenge Russia for some historical reasons. We understand.

These States simply do not understand that they cannot win.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

You are simply crazy.

The Putin has been extremely restrained through all the BS being hurled at him.

Your Obama man is beyond crazy.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:18 AM
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originally posted by: GargIndia
The Americans are playing a great game with certain East European states that want to avenge Russia for some historical reasons. We understand.

These States simply do not understand that they cannot win.


Then you don't understand anything...

The Baltic states have done nothing to antagonize Russia. Russia however has done a lot to antagonize the Baltic nations. Specifically when Putin gave his speeches on the illegal collapse of the soviet union as well as referencing "ethnic Russians".

Putin is going to miscalculate and the ensuing disaster will make WWII look like a walk in the park.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:20 AM
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originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Xcathdra

You are simply crazy.

The Putin has been extremely restrained through all the BS being hurled at him.

Your Obama man is beyond crazy.


Obama did not invade Ukraine.

Having Putin tell the west that we have no right to sanction Russia is crazy. To assume the world will mump when Putin says to is crazy.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 01:37 AM
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The Baltic states have done nothing to antagonize Russia. Russia however has done a lot to antagonize the Baltic nations. Specifically when Putin gave his speeches on the illegal collapse of the soviet union as well as referencing "ethnic Russians".



Can you elaborate on this ?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 03:19 AM
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There you go again with that "Russia invaded Ukraine" nonsense, please provide all the available satellite imagery showing this invasion force. Show us the bombed out cities, the hundreds of tanks rolling across the land, the hundreds of armoured personnel carriers, the hundreds of support vehicles, the aerial bombardment and helicopter gunships providing cover for this invasion.


Hell, even the OSCE observers say they have seen no indication of Russian movement across the border!

The current ceasefire seems to have been nothing more than a lie by Porky Poroshenko, as his forces have continued shelling areas, and I am sure Obama gave him his marching orders to carry on with everything at the NATO summit.

Why no mention of the Poroshenko government sending in the riot ploice to clear away the remaining protesters a few weeks ago, those who were asking where was all the change that had been promised. Or, the protests by women against the forced conscription of their sons and husbands, or the massive desertion rates among Ukrainian conscripted forces? Oh, the BBC / FOX / CNN and, above all, Obama and NATO didn't report it, so it must all be lies by Pro-Russian sympathizers!


I have said it before, and I will say it again, for someone posting on what is generally accepted as an alternative news / conspiracy site, you sure do like to promote the "official" line on these things and parrot the MSM garbage!



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 03:36 AM
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originally posted by: kitzik
Can you elaborate on this ?


Putin's speech on reserving the right to intervene in a foreign nation with large "ethnic Russian" populations. The Baltic states have large ethnic Russian populations.

Putin's comments on how the collapse of the Soviet Union was illegal and how former SSR's borders are invalid.

Putin's comments on nuclear weapons.

Prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine we never heard from NATO with the exception of Afghanistan.

Everything Putin did not want is being created by Putin's actions.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 04:10 AM
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Putin's speech on reserving the right to intervene in a foreign nation with large "ethnic Russian" populations. The Baltic states have large ethnic Russian populations.

Putin's comments on how the collapse of the Soviet Union was illegal and how former SSR's borders are invalid.



It is very likely he is thinking along this lines, but he never formulated it like this/ So, give me exact quotes, please.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist

The first of what is sure to be many posts attempting to blame this incident on the US.



Of course it's the US ... first of all, Russia hasn't threatened Estonia.

Suddenly, after Obama delivers a speech ... which is an idiotic speech, nothing more than a provocation. Suddenly some news appear "Russians abduct a ...". Yeah, right ... and cows fly. The US is making up an incident, that will allow it to further on Ukranian incident ... after they failed there. I doubt there is ever such an officer, and even if there is one.

Anyone who is really so stupid as not to understand what is behind the scenes, is retarded. The US economy is totally in ruines. The US won't survive ... period. Neither as a nation, nor as a superpower. So at this point in time, it is desperately trying to establish itself ... and the need for NATO. Europe, isn't totally broke ... but using it's claws in Germany, to force the Germans to not to dealings with Russia, is an act to destroy Europe. Which may not be the US/GB formal intent, but the major intent is to force Europe to buy US led oil and gas products.

That is what is behind the US actions, and the US, with GB. Will stop at nothing, to try and save itself from imminent death ... Germany and Russia, are the only nations that have any money left. And the US just "confiscated" billions of Russian owned dollars, claiming it to be "mafia" money ... it's just plain theft, but that's not how people see it, generally. But it's most likely something that is a real dispute between US and Russia.

The sanctions provided against Russia, will NOT hurt Russia. Perhaps, a little, in the start ... but not on the long run. But it WILL hurt Europe, and especially Germany.

THERE NEVER WILL BE A REAL CONFLICT BETWEEN THE US AND RUSSIA

Think about it, what would happen in the world if Russia and the US would go at it. Both would lose ... and what we'd have left, is a vacuum that Germany and other European nations would quickly fill. That THAT is something for BOTH the US/GB and RUSSIA to worry about.

Russia is spying on Germany ... and getting British support to do so. It's not spying on Britain, but Germany.

If the US would fight it out, with Russia ... both would fall. And that would be a real bummer, for the people of Estonia. Because the slavic people, in the entire Eastern block ... should tremble at the very thought of Germans getting a head on, in Europe. All the Baltics, were majorily German ... huge portions of the entire Eastern block, from Poland to Ukraine... were German.

This German population, has totally vanished ... well, Estonians will probably tell you that they're their descendants ... but that isn't true. They're slavic, not German ...

So, what do we have ... a power struggle between Russia and the US. No, we don't. We have a false flag operation, that is primarily directed at hurting Europe. From the fear, that if the current pace continues, where the US and Russia will dissappear, as a power house. Then we'll start to read about how Germans were the real sufferer of the Holocust, and not the Jews.

That's what this is about ... this is NATO, and the US ... using Russia to establish a scenario where they can keep occupying Europe. And thus use Europe, to save US and British economy ... while they demolish German and French struggles, to create a Unified Europe.

If you look at it, all of this has no other purpose but to establish the need for NATO ... and NATO, is nothing but a US/GB excuse, to occupy Europe.

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