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What is good for the goose is good for the gander Let NATO explain that one away
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: jajaja
What is good for the goose is good for the gander Let NATO explain that one away
Explain how Russia says they aren't supplying the separatists and have no troops in Ukraine, yet they capture Russian troops in Ukraine, but what's good for the goose (Russia) is just fine as long as the gander doesn't do it.
Explain how that hypocrisy works.
10 troops wearing highly visible white armbands is an invasion force?
I can see why Kiev is losing if that scares them.
I suppose if they had bycicles, it would be a mechanised batallion invading. Netherlands should watch out.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: jajaja
10 troops wearing highly visible white armbands is an invasion force?
Who said invasion force, I surely didn't?
I can see why Kiev is losing if that scares them.
Sure Ukraine is losing although they took much if what was held by the separatists back, but if that is what you consider losing you may want to check your definition of losing.
I suppose if they had bycicles, it would be a mechanised batallion invading. Netherlands should watch out.
And I bet you believe those paratroopers were just lost and accidentally crossed into Ukraine, although they are highly trained on how to read directions and use GPS.
It doesn't matter if they were using seeing eye dogs, the fact is they were in Ukraine and got caught which just left Russia in the position that shows they are lying about troops in Ukraine.
Question - Why does Russia not have any allies?
You commented Russia was pushed to the wall. How did they get their in the first place?
Russia had military ambassadors assigned to NATO HQ specifically to keep lines of communications open up to the point of sanctions.
Highly trained, but but, everybody says Russian troops are worse than American troops in equipment, training et al and moral is low.
So, care to explain how the highly trained American troops, BLOW UP THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND ALLIES in Friendly (*cough* some friends) fire?
Fog of war, right?
Mistakes happen, right?
Or do they just happen to Americans?
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: jajaja
Highly trained, but but, everybody says Russian troops are worse than American troops in equipment, training et al and moral is low.
Did I say they were highly trained compared to the US...no, but for Russian troops they are highly trained. You can still be highly trained and have low moral one doesn't cancel the other one out...sorry.
So, care to explain how the highly trained American troops, BLOW UP THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND ALLIES in Friendly (*cough* some friends) fire?
And of course humans can make mistakes, as it doesn't matter how technically advanced you are humans are far from perfect. And way to change the topic from Russia to America.
Fog of war, right?
Mistakes happen, right?
Read my reply above...Humans aren't perfect.
Or do they just happen to Americans?
And that is your answer not mine, and who says that it only happens to Americans?
en.wikipedia.org...:Friendly_fire_incidents_of_World_War_II
have you ever misread a map or timetable? I have.
Got lost in a street (with street names?), I have.
I have GPS, I still can get lost with it as do many couriers, who's job it is to follow it EVERY DAY.
Ever hear of HIGHLY TRAINED Pilots landing at the wrong airport? I have. These pilots have more navigation aids than anybody have, satellite, radio beacons, ATC, GPS et al.
The detainees were dressed in Russian military uniforms, but without any insignia and in camouflage overalls, while the identification markings on their military equipment were covered by paint.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: jajaja
Hardly hiding when they were wearing highly visible white armbands. They wore them to signal they are not part of the fight.
Sorry but they weren't and it has been shown in my previous post so you can stop that lie now.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: kitzik
If the precision weapons are smart bombs from the air, then Russia merely needs to get some SA-3 and SA-6 type goodies to the NAF. A handful of GPS jammers would further spoil the party.
In return Russia should also seek to arm anti-Western nations like Syria and Iran with stuff that would make DC regret the move.
They already have... Like top of the line missile defense systems to the 2 countries you just mentioned.
Question - Does this mean the west can arm anti Russian groups then?
originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: victor7
Russia have no allies. That is another reason I'm so worried, they are literally pushed to the red line that they can't retreat any more.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: jajaja
Special operations dont get lost sorry even if Russians arent on par with American troops i would hope they could read a map! Are you saying they are so poorly trained that a unit designed to infiltrate enemy territory cant figure out they marched 30 klicks into another country? I mean heck all they had to do was read some road signs even a moron could figure that out. However this point its totally irrelevant and your attempting whats called deflection. Russians have indeed invaded Ukraine were tracking their movements.
So my question to you is simple why deny facts is it because its inconvenient to your beliefs or is it more insidious in that you believe Russia has the right to invade Ukraine and they won your blind support?
The plain-clothes soldiers were killed after driving a car into the funeral procession of an IRA member
What food and humanitarian supplies have the West sent to Ukraine (no, Nuland COOKIES do not count)?
Did I say they were highly trained compared to the US...no, but for Russian troops they are highly trained. You can still be highly trained and have low moral one doesn't cancel the other one out...sorry.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: jajaja
What food and humanitarian supplies have the West sent to Ukraine (no, Nuland COOKIES do not count)?
And I am going to guess money isn't what you consider humanitarian aid is it?
And what exactly has Russia sent, and remember only a small fraction of the so called aid trucks was ever inspected and cleared so only the Russians and separatists know what was in those trucks.
Neither Syria nor Iran have S-300s.
Iran's status regarding the S-300 system remains controversial. Iran claimed to have signed a contract with Russia on 25 December 2007 on the sales of the S-300PMU-1 missile system.[42] Russian officials have denied this.[43] It has also been claimed that Croatia sold their S-300s to Iran.[44] Later, On 21 December, according to a senior Iranian lawmaker, Russia has started the supply of components for S-300 air defence systems to Iran. Esmaeil Kosari, deputy chairman of the parliamentary commission on national security and foreign policy, told the Iranian news agency IRNA that Iran and Russia had held negotiations for several years on the purchase of S-300 air defence systems and had finalized a deal. Kosari said the Islamic Republic would deploy S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to strengthen national defence on border areas
Syria: Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the acceleration of highly advanced Russian weapons supplies to Syria. Referring to S-300 anti-air systems and the nuclear-capable 9K720 Iskander (NATO named SS-26 Stone) surface missiles. Since Syrian Air Defense Force teams have already trained in the Russian Federation on the handling of the S-300 interceptor batteries, they can go into service as soon as they are landed by one of Russia's daily airlifts to Syria. Russian air defence officials will supervise their deployment and prepare them for operation.[68][69] According to President Vladimir Putin, components of the S-300 have been delivered to Syria but the delivery has not been completed.[70]
Sure go ahead and arm anti-Russia groups and Kremlin will make sure your boys never get to leave Afghanistan. How about some Manpads and Kornets for Talibans and top it off with man portable versions of single fired Grad rockets. That's only to start with.
I am amazed at how much warmongering you have shown in these threads as of late and you talk about others and call them warmongers...just utterly amazing.