Battle For Strategic Mariupol Begins, NATO Vows To Do "Whatever It Takes"

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Follow this gentleman, he seems to be a specialist in warfare analysis etc.

A Donbass VB soldier informed that Azovs were the one's to break the cease fire. Today's ambush on another VB was pointed at rebels so Azov had to retaliate and they did with Grads.

Kiev also seems to be preparing for a defensive war away from DPR and LPR, given the NovoRossiya State comprises of 5 other provinces going all the way to Odessa.

Ukraine Army is spent up and more so in morale. NAF going on the offensive should find it relatively easy than when Ukes were on the attack.

Russian soldiers manning artillery and armor of NAF should give better results. In Ilovaisk, where there was a rumor of Russian VDV's presence, one Ukes soldier indicated that "suddenly one evening, the rebel artillery became very accurate and was pinpointing us easily" and that turned the situation from bad to worse. Guess rebels were barely trained in heavy stuff so it must have been the Russians sending their top units.

originally posted by: victor7
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Follow this gentleman, he seems to be a specialist in warfare analysis etc.

A Donbass VB soldier informed that Azovs were the one's to break the cease fire. Today's ambush on another VB was pointed at rebels so Azov had to retaliate and they did with Grads.

Kiev also seems to be preparing for a defensive war away from DPR and LPR, given the NovoRossiya State comprises of 5 other provinces going all the way to Odessa.

Ukraine Army is spent up and more so in morale. NAF going on the offensive should find it relatively easy than when Ukes were on the attack.

Russian soldiers manning artillery and armor of NAF should give better results. In Ilovaisk, where there was a rumor of Russian VDV's presence, one Ukes soldier indicated that "suddenly one evening, the rebel artillery became very accurate and was pinpointing us easily" and that turned the situation from bad to worse. Guess rebels were barely trained in heavy stuff so it must have been the Russians sending their top units.

Well your link is just getting his information from #Мариуполь and that wansnt the only theory posted the general consensus is Russian troops are trying to move in from the east. In fact its supposed to be the Chechen with fire support from Russia. Azov battalion was in Kiev just last week the latest i have found mention of the is in slovyask so they shouldnt have been there unless it was within the last couple of days. If you have a source post it and ill up date my maps. Im keeping a running battle scenario. Have a feeling this may be interesting to study later not to mention im interested in Russian battle tactics. There in a transition stage they want to be mobile but there forces are way to cumbersome. So Russia is stuck moving at a snails pace the only reason they can be effective is the fighting is occurring within range of the grads in Russia. But im curious how its going to go if the separatists expand the territory beyond their reach.

As of Right now appear Ukraine is setting up a new front line and realizing they cant set in a position for days like they have in the past there trying to be more mobile so ive noticed they are shifting units along the front line. Most likely to avoid grad targeting.

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A good source for battle situations. Azov was the first one in Mariupol. Donbass-2 is also on the way.

Most of the men coming from east are probably Russians or Chechens in the clothing of the rebels. Also, villages east of Mariupol have been taken by NAF so now Russians can bring in their artillery and pound the Junta in Mariupol.

Word is that there is not much armor in Junta's hands in Mariupol but majority of forces are VBs so they will fight hard on block to block basis. So far NAF is refraining from using artillery on Mariupol proper. Checkpoints have come under artillery and Grad attacks though.

Also, CNN reporter herself told that in her views 60% population favors the rebels.

a reply to: victor7

Link to the CNN report.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Don't have the link but 60% was for Mariupol not whole of Ukraine.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Xcathdra

Don't have the link but 60% was for Mariupol not whole of Ukraine.

When you find the link with the info you are posting let me know. I want to see it first hand.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

NATO has no business in Ukraine.

Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO...simply put, if NATO troops go in and fight, they are guilty of perpetrating war crimes.

This WHOLE Ukrainian situation is engineered from the start...the reason? The Russian / China energy deal of the century, the fledgling BRICS monetary system and the West, mostly the USA (and the EU because of the USA) is crapping itself over the dumping of the dollar.

Guess who the West has not properly accounted for in all of this planned civilian murder and imperialism?

China.

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Poroshenko’s Aide Names NATO Countries That Agree to Supply Weapons to Kiev

West is champion in further fueling the wars. As soon as such weapons are even named, Russia will respond in kind.

Is this mess going to turn nuclear pretty soon?

a reply to: victor7

I told you few days ago already, that I'm very worried.

From the Russian POV Slavyansk was Stalingrad, they will not end it no matter of any sanctions or even collision with regular NATO troops until someone will win.

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If the precision weapons are smart bombs from the air, then Russia merely needs to get some SA-3 and SA-6 type goodies to the NAF. A handful of GPS jammers would further spoil the party.

In return Russia should also seek to arm anti-Western nations like Syria and Iran with stuff that would make DC regret the move.

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Russia have no allies. That is another reason I'm so worried, they are literally pushed to the red line that they can't retreat any more.

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And I thought that social media wasn't where to find the truth, but I now see it only works when it benefits the pro Russians...outstanding.

originally posted by: MysterX
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NATO has no business in Ukraine.

Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO...simply put, if NATO troops go in and fight, they are guilty of perpetrating war crimes.

Ukraine invoked article 51 of the UN charter - self defense.

They can request military assistance from other nations, and have done so at the last UN security council meeting. NATO as an alliance is not going to get involved unless a NATO member is directly attacked. Individual NATO nations are free to assist in what ever wanner they feel is appropriate.

Finally you need to look up the term war crimes and how it applies.

originally posted by: victor7
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Poroshenko’s Aide Names NATO Countries That Agree to Supply Weapons to Kiev

West is champion in further fueling the wars. As soon as such weapons are even named, Russia will respond in kind.

Is this mess going to turn nuclear pretty soon?

Only if Putin orders them used.

Another reason why Putin needs to go away. He is going to lead the Russian people to disaster because he wants to stand up to the west based on paranoid delusions.

If NATO wanted to invade Russia they would have done so shortly after the collapse and not now.

originally posted by: victor7
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If the precision weapons are smart bombs from the air, then Russia merely needs to get some SA-3 and SA-6 type goodies to the NAF. A handful of GPS jammers would further spoil the party.

In return Russia should also seek to arm anti-Western nations like Syria and Iran with stuff that would make DC regret the move.

They already have... Like top of the line missile defense systems to the 2 countries you just mentioned.

Question - Does this mean the west can arm anti Russian groups then?

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NATO has no business in Ukraine.

And neither does Russia, but they are there.

Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO...simply put, if NATO troops go in and fight, they are guilty of perpetrating war crimes.

But it's okay for Russia to do so...gotcha.

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Question - Does this mean the west can arm anti Russian groups then?

Oh no, that's not how it works.

Russia has all the right to arm the separatists, but when it comes to Ukraine no way are they allowed to have help. Because we all know Russia is the innocent victims in this conflict.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: victor7

Russia have no allies. That is another reason I'm so worried, they are literally pushed to the red line that they can't retreat any more.

Question - Why does Russia not have any allies?

Is it because of Russian occupation after WWII of eastern Europe?
Russian actions in Chechnya?
Their internal policies?
How they treat other nations?


I ask this question because people supporting Russia always invoke BRICS, even though its not a military alliance.


As for the red line comment another question -
You commented Russia was pushed to the wall. How did they get their in the first place? If Russia had issues with NATO, he could have addressed it by talking to NATO. Russia had military ambassadors assigned to NATO HQ specifically to keep lines of communications open up to the point of sanctions.


Prior to this issue we never saw NATO in the news as much as we are now. NATO had no bases / forces in NATO nations bordering Russia.

How can he blame NATO for moving forces into those countries when they were not present until he did his thing in Ukraine?

This is why I think Putin has lost it. This is personal with Putin... This is not Russia verse the west its Putin verse the west. Everything Putin has done has had the complete opposite effect.

a reply to: Xcathdra

If NATO wanted to invade Russia they would have done so shortly after the collapse and not now.

You would've been nuked just 20 or years earlier in this case

Seriously, i think that even assassination of Putin is not going to help US.
The Russian bear awakened.
US don't have politicians like Yats or Porky in Russia, so 99% that whoever will become leader of Russia will be so anti US, that they will miss Putin after 3 days lol.

What I don't get is the hypocracy, NATO complains Russia is controlling by proxy the opposing defence forces,, yet on the other hand NATO et al, (now openly publically) stating they are funding 15€ in weapons et al, to Ukraine.

Not so much of a proxy war, and NATO is directly involved with Kiev, they admitted such recently by this 15€ million supply. I say Russia get directly and openly publically involved also by supplying 15€ million worth of supplies in the SAME FORM as NATO has except to the opposing defence forces.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander Let NATO explain that one away