CFR: Ukraine Crisis, It's the Wests Fault

a reply to: maghun

Is the ukrainian crisis the west's fault? Ask about it Kerry, Biden, Soros, McCain, Nuland, Ashton and other puppets.

Yeah but the unwavering pro western crowd will probably accuse you of being a separatist sympathizer and demand you put on a pair of the "US/EU/IMF is never wrong" tinted glasses to better understand the situation. From their MSM talking points perspective of course.

The most effective shills are the unwitting ones.

a reply to: Bassago

What gets me is that if the West had desired to implement democratic values in Russia it could have invested more in the Social arena than it did. The West work with Russia to secure all of it's WMDs. It backed and propped up as well as influenced within the Kremlin and in it's elite to privatize most state owned industries so it could get it's claws into the Russian economy. It planted massive NGOs within the US to disseminate pro Western interests but it never really tried to win the hearts and minds of the Russian people and embrace the Russian Political system in it's infancy. The US could have really cradled Russia as the wall fell and it could have truly been in a position to make Putin's dream a more secured interest for the US as well. We failed on foreign policy to see the long term picture as a Nation in the US when the Soviet Union fell. We truly could have done more and ensured a better future for both the US and Russia with regard to shared interests and relations. Instead we did the minimum and pillaged and tampered to the point of our own undoing.

To the newcomer to this thread: please evaluate all post in the context of the OP.

a reply to: maghun

Your lost...

Ukraine was offered NATO status in 2010. Yanukovych declined. NATO accepted that result.

Its to bad Russia can't accept it.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: maghun

Your lost...

Ukraine was offered NATO status in 2010. Yanukovych declined. NATO accepted that result.

Its to bad Russia can't accept it.

Ukraine in NATO, Ukraine in NATO.............when will the West stop trying to test its luck any further ??

Stage is reached that Russia is ready to use BLUNT FORCE WITH A BLUNT HEAVY OBJECT.

Take a walk outside and think seriously as to what you are wishing for and where it can lead to..............for EVERYONE............including the morons who have not yet tasted HARD BEATINGS..........that incapacitate even very well built individuals for like good 6 months or more !!

Don't feel too safe giggling behind the F-22s...........especially when dealing with Russia or China !!

whoops, my tinfoil hat almost fell off. You all might want to check yours.

a reply to: victor7

Nice rant. Now how about you reread my post instead of only seeing what you want. Putin does that enough for everything and doesn't need help.


Secondly since you opened the door. So what if Ukraine joins NATO. Its none of Russias business.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Candidly, right now the cat is still in the bag.......only poking its mouth out for some fresh air.

However, Ukraine in NATO is not a scenario that a common man on this beautiful blue earth would like to face upto, IMHO.

That would unleash monsters never seen by the human race before.........again IMHO !!

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: maghun

Your lost...

Ukraine was offered NATO status in 2010. Yanukovych declined. NATO accepted that result.

Its to bad Russia can't accept it.

Can't accept what, it must be overly surreal to live in your world full of maps, Revelations quotes about end of the world, and wholeheartedly accepted facts drawn up for you by ,, WHO ?

Many of us who used to be in your camp have now moved FAR, FAR beyond believing any of these fairy tales from any side, alas you live in your souls to fulfill the dream of keeping the truth hidden behind politics, Bible verses and quotes about East and West.

Gonna ever start looking for a different reality than the one set before you as your ultimate CORE ??

a reply to: ParasuvO

He cant accept the fact Russia is not the USSR.
He cant accept the fact former SSR's will no longer jump when Moscow tells them to.
He cant except the fact that his actions are the reason countries are being pushed to the west / EU / NATO.
He cant accept the fact that there is no "nearabroad".
He cant accept the fact that Germany sided with the EU/West of Russian actions in Ukraine.
He cant accept the fact that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

etc etc etc

This mess is not Russia verses the west.

Its Putin, as an individual, putting his arrogance / ego / vanity front and center with something to prove.

originally posted by: victor7
That would unleash monsters never seen by the human race before.........again IMHO !!

So Putin would slaughter what, 40 million people to replace the old monster who held that distinction - Stalin?

a reply to: victor7

Candidly, right now the cat is still in the bag.......only poking its mouth out for some fresh air.

However, Ukraine in NATO is not a scenario that a common man on this beautiful blue earth would like to face upto, IMHO.

That would unleash monsters never seen by the human race before.........again IMHO !!

Really, because I think the US unleashed that monster on Japan many years ago, so that beast isn't something new.

Well then you need to find a real common man to talk to in the real world, because that is only true in your world.

a reply to: Xcathdra

He cant accept the fact that Germany sided with the EU/West of Russian actions in Ukraine.

We all know that Germany is a lapdog to the US. I mean look how they just rolled over and took it when they found out the US was spying on them. As far as the rest of the EU well we are now seeing the blow back from numerous members against this ridiculous sanction spiral as Russian sanctions bite back. Half a dozen EU countries are already squealing.

The EU sanctions coalition of the unwilling is already cracking.

He cant accept the fact that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

Not anymore.

“The Russian Aggression Prevention Act” (RAPA): A Direct Path to Nuclear War with Russia

The Russian Aggression Prevention Act”, introduced to Congress by U.S. Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), will set the US on a path towards direct military conflict with Russia in Ukraine.

Any US-Russian war is likely to quickly escalate into a nuclear war, since neither the US nor Russia would be willing to admit defeat, both have many thousands of nuclear weapons ready for instant use, and both rely upon Counterforce military doctrine that tasks their military, in the event of war, to preemptively destroy the nuclear forces of the enemy.

RAPA provides de facto NATO membership for Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova via RAPA

www.globalresearch.ca...

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
“The Russian Aggression Prevention Act” (RAPA): A Direct Path to Nuclear War with Russia

The Russian Aggression Prevention Act”, introduced to Congress by U.S. Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), will set the US on a path towards direct military conflict with Russia in Ukraine.

Any US-Russian war is likely to quickly escalate into a nuclear war, since neither the US nor Russia would be willing to admit defeat, both have many thousands of nuclear weapons ready for instant use, and both rely upon Counterforce military doctrine that tasks their military, in the event of war, to preemptively destroy the nuclear forces of the enemy.

RAPA provides de facto NATO membership for Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova via RAPA

www.globalresearch.ca...

What the bill actually says, and its current status:

beta.congress.gov...

Given the current miasma in Washington, the bill is unlikely to pass. This discussion is getting increasingly off topic. Go FSB!

a reply to: Xcathdra

40 million in Ukraine would only be the cat out of the bag. The real monsters will inflate that figure by 100x times easily.

The coming meeting with Putin is an excellent chance for Porky Poro to find a STOP to the war and seek some peaceful solution. The western nose poking variables need to be sidelined while considering options for peace.

a reply to: victor7

And end to the war is simple.

A - the rebels surrender unconditionally and
B - Russia withdraws its forces from Ukraine.

It will have the additional bonus of showing how the op article is wrong in its conclusions.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It's easy to write such nonsense, because right now it is not influencing you directly.

But don't despair, if peace does not take root in Ukraine soon, the monsters unleashed WILL bring similar situation to the mainland USA. Some thing that did not happen even in WWII.

This time parties involved would not be third world Libya or Iraq against the whole alliance.

Then you will repent your views.

Might be possible that soon US Army will walk into WH and Capital Hill and grab all the morons by the hair and throw them on the streets..............for catering ONLY to the interests of selected few out there..............and that results in nose poking in the affairs of other countries around the globe.



en.ria.ru...

German Vice Chancellor Calls for Ukraine's Federalization

The Ukraine, Corrupted Journalism, and the Atlanticist Faith

www.unz.com...

My views: This article further supports the article that started this thread.

Waves of propaganda come from Washington and are made to fit assumptions of a Putin, driven and
assisted by a nationalism heightened by the loss of the Soviet empire, who
is trying to expand the Russian Federation up to the borders of that
defunct empire. The more adventurous punditry, infected by neocon fever,
has Russia threatening to envelop the West. Hence Europeans are made to
believe that Putin refuses diplomacy, while he has been urging this all
along. Hence prevailing propaganda has had the effect that not
Washington’s but Putin’s actions are seen as dangerous and extreme.
Anyone with a personal story that places Putin or Russia in a bad light
must move right now; Dutch editors seem insatiable at the moment.