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NEW MH17 SENSATION: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets.

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posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: maghun
How a missile hit looks like?


Everyone knows this video is a bad fake right?

Just checking....




posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: fatdeeman



Around the 1:20 mark is what a real missile hit looks like, just to prove that you are right and it's a bad fake. That's actual insurgent video of a DHL A300 being hit with a shoulder fired missile over Iraq, and it flying back to land.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: imod02
If this is so then you cannot use your moderator title, just something to think about, also noone with moderator powers should be aloud to express there own views on the site they moderate.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

That's not quite the way that it works, you have it backwards. What we do is not moderate in threads in which we express our views. Hence the mod tags, which we sometimes use.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

corblimeyguvnor wrote:

Slightly off topic but still relevant, have you seen the paint configuration differences / similarities between MH17 and MH370. Whatever 777 this is, it was brought down intentionally ......... what is the agenda?

My reply...Maybe some simple backward idiot did think that downing this plane would draw the rest of the world into this Ukraine/Russia conflict.

edit on 30/7/2014 by zatara because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: coastlinekid




Um... maybe because they were ordered NOT to ,... you see pilots just don't do things on their own... they fly under orders and DO things under orders...WW3 would have started otherwise...


Now do you really think that Ukraine sent two fighters to escort a commercial airliner over hostile territory and they see the jet get shot down, and you don't think they would be given orders to neutralize that threat.

How would WW3 start by Ukraine neutralizing an insurgent weapon that will certainly be used against them?



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

actually they could have been eye witness's as to what the saw. in a Court of Law.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254




And that girl just so happens to be married to one of the separatist leaders. But I'm sure she would have no motivation to lie.


Ah yes that girl...



They make such a nice couple...



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: BobAthome




actually they could have been eye witness's as to what the saw. in a Court of Law.


And wouldn't you have a better case if you were to neutralize that weapon and have undeniable proof that the separatists brought the plane down?

Physical evidence is the best evidence you can have in a court of law.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

It is quite plausible that the fighters were sent up to "nudge" the airliner into dangerous airspace so it could be shot down by a surface to air missile...

No radio communication between the fighters and the airliner are needed... the airliner would make a course correction to avoid close proximity to the fighters...then when the airliner is where the fighters were ordered to "nudge" it,... they break off and the missile is fired...



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: BobAthome

Except for the minor fact that there is absolutely no radar data showing them, anywhere.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: fatdeeman

It can be fake, if so it's my fault...


The CVR was damaged but the memory module was intact. Furthermore no evidence or indications of manipulation of the CVR was found. "Following the examination, the CVR data was successfully downloaded and contained valid data from the flight. The downloaded data have to be further analysed and investigated."


Investigato rs Download 'Valid' Information From Voice Recorder Of Flight MH17

Video of AN-30 simultaneously with the voice of the pilot:



Waiting for the results of the "independent" investigation, hope the russians have a copy and it cannot be faked...



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: coastlinekid




It is quite plausible that the fighters were sent up to "nudge" the airliner into dangerous airspace so it could be shot down by a surface to air missile...


How come no other airline that was flying that same area before and even during didn't come out and say they saw two fighters escorting this plane before it was shot down?

I am pretty sure that would have been big news, but they didn't so it isn't.

And what would be the reasoning for Ukraine to do that?



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: maghun




Waiting for the results of the "independent" investigation, hope the russians have a copy and it cannot be faked...


Why would Russia even get a copy, as they have no citizens on that plane therefore they have no reason to even be involved unless they are going to get the separatists to stop mining the road to the crash site.

The only countries that should get copies are the one's who lost citizens in the crash, and Ukraine because it was shot down over Ukraine.

And if they aren't supplying the weapons to the separatists then what do they care, because they supposedly aren't involved with what's going on in Ukraine.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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Why would Russia even get a copy, as they have no citizens on that plane therefore they have no reason to even be involved unless they are going to get the separatists to stop mining the road to the crash site.


Well, after all the histrionics, finger-pointing and flat-out accusing Russia for the tragedy, I think they probably deserve a copy.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

As usually, "exercise" ended with false flag attack. The same as 911, 7/7, Sandy Hook or Boston Marathon?


The 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.

The U.S. Army has revealed that the 10-day exercise involved «commercial traffic monitoring». Because of the sophistication of the electronic warfare and intelligence used during SEA BREEZE, it can be assumed that commercial traffic monitoring included monitoring the track of MH-


MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

Seven NATO countries end Black Sea war games

Where is the NATO evidence?



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: maghun

Yeah, because 452 miles from Donetsk to a port on the coast of the Black Sea (not into the Black Sea itself, just to a port) is certainly right there in the neighborhood of where this happened. They'd certainly have training materials in the region that far from the actual exercise that could have been used in a false flag.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Flatcoat

So if I were to accuse you of a crime, and threw all kinds of fits, and pointed all kinds of fingers at you, that means that you get access to all the police data for the investigation?

Sorry it doesn't work that way. There are rules that are followed when investigating crashes, and they are being followed.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Could the bullet holes have come from those on the ground after the crash?

ETA: Just looked at the pics on the sourced article from the one you linked and they do look a lot like bullet holes, entry and exit. Much larger than a hole any soldiers handheld weapon would make.


They are shrapnel entry and exit holes. The BUK SAM that was used detonates a hundred yards or so before impacting the target, thus ripping the aircraft apart with shrapnel.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

"absolutely no radar data showing them",, except for the russian radar that showed what EVERYONE said was,,

"only an annomaly"


nothing to see here,,,

its out there,, the vid,,,just have to find it.



posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: BobAthome

The Russian radar data showed what they claimed was a single Su-25, which couldn't have shot it down using a canon. Interestingly, it also appeared on a radar that was in standby (which is essentially warmup mode, so it shouldn't have been transmitting) which they claimed could only show targets over 16,400 feet. It ALSO only showed up AFTER MH17 had been hit and broke apart (MH17 was down to something like 200 knots when it showed up), and interestingly enough, was on the radar for roughly the same amount of time that it would have taken the debris from the aircraft to fall from 33,000 feet to the ground.

But yeah, that's definitely a pair of Ukrainian fighters.



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