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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MysterX
Show me where I said it could reach that height? I said it could exceed its ceiling. That doesn't mean it can reach that altitude, it just means that it can go over 23,000 feet. Sukhoi never said by how much it could, only that for brief times it could go higher than 23,000 feet.
originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Zaphod58
Again, and especially considering the huge, bloated target MH17 would have been in comparison to a fighter ducking and diving, hitting the target would be akin to hitting several barn doors with a BB gun.
'Almost impossible' starts to look more like 'It's not beyond the realms of possibility''.
originally posted by: SUBKONCIOUS
so, is it entirely impossible that a different type of war plane shot it down? After all, i though the SU-25 was just a speculation based on the size of the radar footprint? Do we know for sure that it was, in no way, possible for the Ukrainians to have used a more modern military aircraft?
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MysterX
It doesn't matter if it's a 777, or a C-5, or a dogfight. It's cruising faster than the Su-25 can fly, and the Su-25 is using a gun designed to shoot slow moving targets, not be used against an aerial target moving at high speed.
Patriot PAC-3
However, the missile still has a small explosive warhead, called Lethality Enhancer, a directional warhead which launches a stream of low-speed steel fragments in the direction of the target in order to make the missile cross-section greater to enhance the kill probability. This greatly increases the lethality against ballistic missiles of all types.
BUK Missile 9M38
The weight of the missile is 581 kg, including the 62 kg blast fragmentation warhead initiated by a dual-mode radar proximity fuze.
originally posted by: R_Clark
a reply to: Vasa Croe
In the article, he describes exactly why this cannot be from the ground including how the bullets are passing through from outside through to inside the craft and then out again... It is discussed...
And more importantly, where were the mystery planes? Russia released radar data that they claim shows an Su-25 (which can't reach altitude with a 777), but that's the only plane they say was in the area. The Su-25 uses a 30mm canon, but again, cant reach altitude with a 777. It has a 23,000 foot service ceiling per Sukhoi, who makes it.