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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: nighthawk1954
I realize that Hamas has a problem with Israel and visa vie, but didn't the UN give the original settlement to Israel? Why aren't the Palestinians pissed with the UN? Seems to me the Palestinians are being played.
Cheers - Dave
I watched the entire video before reading ANY of the replies.
I find it unconscionable that any members had the gall to jump in WITHOUT watching it first.
What cease fire? What are you talking about? There was no cease-fire that was to begin today. At least none that I know of.
Off-topic. That cease fire that was to begin today? Well, the news just reported as of 8 am Bibi already launched more rockets and blew up a building in Gaza. Charles, my friend, the writing is on the wall. The man is a psychopath.
GAZA CITY - Israel's security cabinet unanimously rejected a cease-fire proposal Friday that called for a week-long truce in the deadly conflict.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met twice Friday in Cairo with U.N. chief Ban Ki Moon and Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shukri in an effort to nail down the proposal that would have allowed Israelis and Palestinians to discuss a broader deal.
After meeting for several hours Friday, Israel's security cabinet said it was seeking modifications to the proposal, Reuters reported.
"The security cabinet has unanimously rejected the ceasefire proposal of Kerry, as it stands," Israeli public television reported, according to AFP.
I included a partial list on the last page of the thread.
I have to get through all my research before I make an opinion. I'm weird that way but at least I like to think I know what I'm talking about. If you could point to the inaccuracies, I will kick over stones to find the worm. ETA: I was already back in that thread once I made my post.
I think it would be easier to discuss a situation if opinions weren't so completely extreme about it. It makes finding common ground difficult.
On 6 October 2005, Israel's High Court of Justice ruled that it was illegal for the army to use Palestinian civilians during military actions. The court ruled on a petition submitted by Adalah in the name of B'Tselem and six other human rights organizations in 2002. The petition followed the army's use of Palestinian civilians as human shields since the beginning of the second intifada, primarily during operations carried out in densely populated Palestinian areas, as occurred in Operation Defensive Shield.
The method was the same each time: soldiers picked a civilian at random and forced him to protect them with his body, and do dangerous tasks for them. For example, soldiers have ordered Palestinians to:
* enter buildings to check if they are booby-trapped, or to remove the occupants;
* remove suspicious objects from roads;
* stand inside houses where soldiers set up military positions, so that Palestinians would not fire at them;
* and walk in front of soldiers to shield them from gunfire, while the soldiers point a gun to their backs and sometimes fire over their shoulders.
The soldiers in the field did not initiate this practice; rather, the order to use civilians as a means of protection was made by senior army officials.
IDF to appeal 'human shield' ruling
Jeremy Bowen's Gaza notebook: I saw no evidence of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields
Israel-Gaza conflict: The myth of Hamas’s human shields
Hamas fires rockets on Israel, ending 12-hour lull
originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
The true victory will occur if Hamas dissolves entirely so that the people of Gaza can be represented by a diplomatic regime that is willing to work towards a two state solution, and put an end to the needless bloodshed once and for all.
Many will only blame Israel for the tragic loss of life in Gaza over the years, but the truth is that Hamas is indirectly responsible.
towards a two state solution
but the truth is that Hamas is indirectly responsible.
If you are against Israel, you are against America. You are probably a Democrat as well and you are supporting a terrorist organization.