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Governor Rick Perry: Illegal Aliens in Texas Behind 3,000 Homicides & 8,000 Sexual Assaults

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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Get 10 million out of 300 million people (3%) to sign up for Obamacare, and the liberals go crazy. 11 thousand out of 60 thousand (18%) immigrants cross the border, commit heinous crimes, and none of them bat an eye.


Ironic.

Sounds like a new definition of the "Hypocritic Oath"


The most ironic thing I see is that you're not pointing out the indisputable error in his comment (11,000 out of 60,000???) even though he's drawing on information you provided!

How concerned can you be with facts when you're letting that slip?

EDIT: Allowing people to believe things that you know are not true, based on information that you've provided, is tantamount to hoaxing isn't it?
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: theantediluvian

Tangental Comparisons are not always accurate or effective.




Neither is anything that Rick Perry says.
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: thirdcoast

originally posted by: Helious
But... .But.... All the liberals here on ATS will just tell you they are coming here for a better life and not hurting anyone. Shame on you for exposing statistics that disagree with the agenda!!!


there you go putting a label on someone. stop dividing people, we are all equal. as in we equally contributed to the destruction of america by NOT DOING anything but sit here on ATS whining


Speak for yourself guy. I do plenty every day to try to make America better and that includes a hell of a lot more than "whining" on ATS. Save your regrets for your own action, not everyone just punches keyboards.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

He can barely remember what gov agencies he wants to ge rid of in the middle of a debate. ...
Another pr stunt by perry using muffled numbers as shown earlier in the thread.
Shocking



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:24 AM
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Perry is just throwing red meat to the Tea Party fringe. The Governor election is getting closer and someone has to rile up the masses.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:27 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Get 10 million out of 300 million people (3%) to sign up for Obamacare, and the liberals go crazy. 11 thousand out of 60 thousand (18%) immigrants cross the border, commit heinous crimes, and none of them bat an eye.


What? 11,000 out of 60,000?

See how well conflation works? This thread isn't about the 60,000 unaccompanied minors and yet, now you're saying that 11,000 children have committed heinous crimes and it's already getting starred up. Unbelievable.

The dubious data Rick Perry is drawing from, makes reference to illegal immigrants between 2008 and now who have been incarcerated in Texas jails.

This is pretty sad and it reminds me of all the people who got Cheney'd into thinking Iraq had something to do with 9/11.


None of them bat an eye.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: digital01anarchy

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: theantediluvian

Here ya go.


Our ruling

Perry told Beck over 3,000 homicides were committed "by illegal aliens over the" last six years.

This claim is unsupported by the presentation he relied on, which indicates that since 2008 in Texas, more than 200,000 arrested immigrants -- foreign nationals living here with or without legal permission -- had among them accumulated 3,070 homicide charges (not convictions) in their lives. Put another way, for this declaration to hold water, one would have to assume illegal immigrants committed nearly half of the state’s homicides since 2008; we found no such data.

This statement is both incorrect and ridiculous. Pants on Fire!


www.politifact.com...


using a website to do your fact checking for you under this administration lol " in 2011 propaganda was made legal".
liberal minded followers tend to think that all "fact checking websites" are factual even when the bias in the reporting is obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. CNN doesn't tell the truth and fox news doesn't tell the truth maybe you should follow the money and ask these questions "who is funding this website" "what are their personal political beliefs"


The Politifact source provides a link to the original source for Rick Perry's figures that are the topic of this thread. That's more than Rick Perry or the OP provided. Rick Perry got his facts from a graph on a website and the OP sources Rick Perry's statement but no ridicule of that. Also, what does "under this administration" have to do with the veracity of Rick Perry's statement?

You've got a lot of sound advice to give. I'd be grateful if you'd spend some time doing the in depth research you've suggested and share your results with us.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:41 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Get 10 million out of 300 million people (3%) to sign up for Obamacare, and the liberals go crazy. 11 thousand out of 60 thousand (18%) immigrants cross the border, commit heinous crimes, and none of them bat an eye.


What? 11,000 out of 60,000?

See how well conflation works? This thread isn't about the 60,000 unaccompanied minors and yet, now you're saying that 11,000 children have committed heinous crimes and it's already getting starred up. Unbelievable.

The dubious data Rick Perry is drawing from, makes reference to illegal immigrants between 2008 and now who have been incarcerated in Texas jails.

This is pretty sad and it reminds me of all the people who got Cheney'd into thinking Iraq had something to do with 9/11.


None of them bat an eye.


A more cogent response might have been, "Oh I misunderstood, thanks for pointing that out." Talk about not batting an eye.

EDIT:
In case there was some confusion:


11 thousand out of 60 thousand (18%) immigrants cross the border, commit heinous crimes, and none of them bat an eye.


You took the questionably sourced figures for over 200,000 illegal immigrants who have been in Texas jails at some point since 2008, and ascribed them to a group of 60,000 children, who have not been in jail in Texas.
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Get 10 million out of 300 million people (3%) to sign up for Obamacare, and the liberals go crazy. 11 thousand out of 60 thousand (18%) immigrants cross the border, commit heinous crimes, and none of them bat an eye.


What? 11,000 out of 60,000?

See how well conflation works? This thread isn't about the 60,000 unaccompanied minors and yet, now you're saying that 11,000 children have committed heinous crimes and it's already getting starred up. Unbelievable.

The dubious data Rick Perry is drawing from, makes reference to illegal immigrants between 2008 and now who have been incarcerated in Texas jails.

This is pretty sad and it reminds me of all the people who got Cheney'd into thinking Iraq had something to do with 9/11.


None of them bat an eye.


A more cogent response might have been, "Oh I misunderstood, thanks for pointing that out." Talk about not batting an eye.


I don't care that I misunderstood. Any kind of negative feeling my post generated about liberals is justified somewhere down the line. The fact is, Rick Perry's sending National Guard to the border makes a whole lot more sense and will cost a whole lot less money than the democrat's multibillion dollar plan.
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: smithjustinb


I don't care that I misunderstood. Any kind of negative feeling my post generated about liberals is justified somewhere down the line.


So your lack of concern with the truth stems from your disdain for liberals?



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 01:59 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

I can give you some numbers from 2004 & 2006 when the Political Left was interested in this, I have to assume for Political reasons.


Illegal immigration imposes enormous costs -- monetary as well as crime-related -- on American society. As regards criminal activity, Manhattan Institute scholar Heather MacDonald describes one small slice of a much larger problem:

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide target illegal aliens, as do approximately two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants.
More than 60 percent of the Hispanic gangs in Southern California—whose membership is in the tens of thousands—is illegal. These gangs involved withdrug-distribution schemes, extortion, drive-by assassinations, assaults, and robberies.
In a 2006 study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta estimated, conservatively, that from January 1999 through April 2006 approximately 240,000 illegal aliens had committed about 960,000 sex offenses in the United States.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration are also very high. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, in 2002 illegal-alien households imposed, in aggregate, costs exceeding $26 billion on the federal government while they paid $16 billion in federal taxes -- thereby creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion per year at the federal level, or $2,700 per household. Among the largest components of this deficit were Medicaid ($2.5 billion); medical treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion). A major reason why illegal aliens are, on balance, such a drain on the American Treasury is because approximately 60 percent of them lack a high-school degree.

a guide to the political left
And then again from a report from the INS & FBI in 2006. I have to again assume for Political Reasons,,,,,,


INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers

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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: smithjustinb


I don't care that I misunderstood. Any kind of negative feeling my post generated about liberals is justified somewhere down the line.


So your lack of concern with the truth stems from your disdain for liberals?


In regards to the post we are referring to, yes. Whether its 18% of the kids in gangs or 2%, it doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that they came into our country illegally, so they are all criminals, at that point.

So no. I'm not concerned with the accuracy of some statistic. The fact is, we have a crisis on our hands and the liberals are, once again, coming up short on good ideas to fix it. There's plenty of reason for disdain.
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: guohua

Can you find the original source of those percentages?
Or do you feel like just taking the word of that blog as gospel?



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:12 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: guohua

Can you find the original source of those percentages?
Or do you feel like just taking the word of that blog as gospel?


I didn't know discoverthenetworks.org was a Blog.
Is it? This is from it's web page.


This section examines groups that promote a variety of leftwing causes. Some categories overlap (e.g., Civil Liberties and Anti-Patriot). They are listed separately for the convenience of researchers. DiscoverTheNetworks is a work-in-progress, and the database will be expanded over time. We welcome readers' suggestions. To request information on additional groups, or to provide information on existing profile subjects or links to related texts and articles, use the contact options (Submit A Search Name/Contribute Information) on the homepage.

LINK

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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: guohua

Taking about the thefreerublic one. The one with the ridiculous % who the cities warrants are for



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:15 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: smithjustinb


I don't care that I misunderstood. Any kind of negative feeling my post generated about liberals is justified somewhere down the line.


So your lack of concern with the truth stems from your disdain for liberals?


I can ask you the same question about your disdain for conservatives referring to when you said,



Neither is anything that Rick Perry says.

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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:16 AM
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a reply to: guohua

It's like the Twilight Zone in this thread.

There's nothing credible about any of it. None of it. That information is almost entirely fictional and even in the second source you linked, if you read the rest of the thread it's excerpted from, IT'S DEBUNKED:


i really need some fact checking on these stats to believe them.
For what it's worth, I took a shot at it. LOL.

I went to the URL linked in Post 1 and it says that these stats were published at PollPundit.com. I went to the web page where these stats were published and the statistics came "from a reader."



Since the INS doesn't exist anymore, I doubt if there is a report actually titled "INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants". I am no closer to finding a source for this than I was when I started out. Oh well!


I don't understand anything about your post. Free Republic and Discover the Networks are FAR FAR right sites and yet you're claiming these are left-wing sources? The actual excerpts you posted are from far right email/social media propaganda that has been thoroughly and repeated debunked as far back as when this crap showed up.

Nobody is the least bit concerned with being factual?



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:17 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: guohua

Taking about the thefreerublic one. The one with the ridiculous % who the cities warrants are for

Yes, but why Complain, it pretty much Mirrors what the Political Left Web Site Stated, Does It Not?

So, if you're Left Leaning.....



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:17 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: smithjustinb


I don't care that I misunderstood. Any kind of negative feeling my post generated about liberals is justified somewhere down the line.


So your lack of concern with the truth stems from your disdain for liberals?


In regards to the post we are referring to, yes. Whether its 18% of the kids in gangs or 2%, it doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that they came into our country illegally, so they are all criminals, at that point.

So no. I'm not concerned with the accuracy of some statistic. The fact is, we have a crisis on our hands and the liberals are, once again, coming up short on good ideas to fix it. There's plenty of reason for disdain.


How can you say there is a crisis if you have no way of quantifying it? It doesn't disturb you in the least that you're operating completely on emotion and rhetoric?



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 02:20 AM
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originally posted by: guohua

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: guohua

Taking about the thefreerublic one. The one with the ridiculous % who the cities warrants are for

Yes, but why Complain, it pretty much Mirrors what the Political Left Web Site Stated, Does It Not?

So, if you're Left Leaning.....


Why do you keep saying that Discover the Networks is a "Political Left Web Site?" Here's there "hot spots." Please open the main page and understand what source you're referencing.


Barack Obama: His Life, Agendas, & Allies

The Left's War Against Minorities & the Poor

The Cloward-Piven Strategy: Social Change Through Orchestrated Crisis

Saul Alinsky: Godfather of Community Organizing

George Soros and The Shadow Party

Occupy Wall Street: The Communist Movement Reborn

The Muslim Brotherhood's Agendas, Allies, and Front Groups

Radical Islam's Alliance with the Socialist Left

Benghazi: The Full Story Behind the Terror Attack of 9/11/12

Hate-America Histories


It doesn't get any further right than this.


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