Palistine is the Problem Not Israel

a reply to: calstorm

My information comes straight form an Israeli citizen. I tend to believe him when he tells me that the problem is neither the Palestinian or the Israeli people, but the Israeli and American governments. He has told me that the Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians are friends.

Certainly the sane ones tend to be.

I was there for 2 weeks. But that was in 1973.

Few Arabs lived in the Israeli region when Israel was formed. It was largely a desolate, forsaken land.

When Israel succeeded in "making the desert bloom like a rose" as Biblical prophecies predicted, then the Arabs started flocking to Israel for WORK.

And, of course, the Imams and kings of the area prevented the Jordanians trapped in Israel from going to Jordan or any wealthy area Arab country STRICTLY TO USE THEM AS PAWNS FOR GREEDY TERRITORIAL CONQUEST OUT OF THEIR PRIDE. Their land mass compared to Israel's is massive. No comparison. They have sufficient wealth to make the desert bloom.

They don't NEED Israel to provide large living areas for their populations.

It's greed and pride. Period.

. . . and satanic devilishment . . . fulfilling 2,000+ old Biblical prophecies . . .

Israel will be disciplined of God for forsaking HIM and living an apostate life . . . she will return to Almighty God and eventually her rightful Messiah.

Even the Arab countries will have a massive move of many more in their populations to Jesus as The Christ, God . . . than area already happening via dreams and visions of the Risen Christ--to families, extended families and even whole tribes.

One modern prophecy predicts that Egypt will have a major evangelistic role to play. Time will tell. --Wendy Alec in JOURNAL OF AN UNKNOWN PROPHET.

a reply to: Not Authorized

Your biases will not rule your construction on reality forever. Perhaps you should 'enjoy' them while you can.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Anglojew

This just isn't true. 75% of the British mandate of Palestine was given to the Arabs in 1921 and ruled off limits to Jews.

This is imply not true. If there was to be no Jews there as you claim then why was this included in the preamble of the Mandate?

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Own goal dude. Jews were banned from owning land and being citizens of Jordan later;

A formal decision to restrict the Jewish homeland to west of the Jordan was made at the Cairo conference in March 1921, and accordingly a new article was added to the draft mandate text allowing the British government to administer Transjordan separately.[7] The mandate was approved by the League of Nations in July 1922, and in September 1922 the League approved a memorandum spelling out in detail the exclusion of Transjordan from the Jewish homeland provisions

en.wikipedia.org...

Jews are banned from owning land or becoming citzens of Jordan, Jordan's Nationality Law includes the following clauses (Article 3):

The following shall be deemed to be Jordanian nationals: (1)Any person who has acquired Jordanian nationality or a Jordanian passport under the Jordanian Nationality Law, 1928, as amended, Law No. 6 of 1954 or this Law; (2)Any person who, not being Jewish, possessed Palestinian nationality before 15 May 1948 and was a regular resident in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan between 20 December 1949 and 16 February 1954; (3)Any person whose father holds Jordanian nationality; (4)Any person born in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan of a mother holding Jordanian nationality and of a father of unknown nationality or of a Stateless father or whose filiation is not established; (5)Any person born in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan of unknown parents, as a foundling in the Kingdom shall be considered born in the Kingdom pending evidence to the contrary; (6)All members of the Bedouin tribes of the North mentioned in paragraph (j) of article 25 of the Provisional Election Law, No. 24 of 1960, who were effectively living in the territories annexed to the Kingdom in 1930.

Any Arab who has resided continuously in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan for not less than 15 years may acquire Jordanian nationality, by decision of the Council of Ministers taken on a proposal by the Minister of Internal Affairs, if he renounces his nationality of origin and the law of his country permits him to do so...

So Jews ARE BANNED FROM 75% OR MORE OF THE MANDATE OF PALESTINE.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Well your wrong alot of the land was barren waste land throughout its history. Farming was always difficult many people preferred heardimg easier. But than around late 40s early 50s isreal started turning deserts into fams by setting up irrigation systems. Prior to that people huddled around major cities and the coast. Gaza used to be buetiful area play ground of the rich with luxury hotels hard to imagine it like that now.

Even if you hate Isreal you have to give them credit for transforming a desert into a habitable area. Many here seem to think that this area was always inhabited it wasnt most of it was just a waste land this is also why there are no clear land titles. Very similar to parts of say Nevada go drive into the dessert and try to figure out who owns it. Most lukely it will be the government because no title is on file. This is what Isreal tries to do with settlements go into area make it productive than file for a land claim. I dont agree with this practice partly think they should have to buy it and takea risk Of failing. This also leads to abuse of the system since they worry about someone else staking a claim leads to unneeded conflicts.

Have a look at a satellite photo (I don;t know how to post photos yet) and you can clearly see the Israeli border because Israel plants trees and cares about the environment (actually Israel is a world leader in low-water farming techniques). Check out a satellite image and see the contrast with for instance Egypt;

www.auscillate.com...

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: intrepid

That area has not always been referred to as Palestine. There is no nation known as Palestine, no true Palestinian people.

Call them displaced arabs, most likely Jordanians.

Oh please Palestine has existed sine it was named by the Romans. The place that never existed however was a nation called Israel it didn't exist until 1948.

Exactly. Arabic doesn't even have a letter "P".

The Romans were Arabs?

Yes, the Romans renamed the province once they kicked out the JEWS and destroyed JUDEA. Jews are indigenous. Arabs are indigenous to ARABIA.

Funny a people would develop a nationality around a name they can't even pronounce.

The Arabs of the region considered themselves Syrians until Zionism.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Hamas and other terrorist are cowards and the Palestine government will not expel these criminals better yet put them in jail for life for terrorism.

Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. If you apply the same things to Israel then the Israeli government is cowards and should be put in jail for terrorism.

They fire their rockets from within civilian neighborhoods at which point the Israelis can pin point exactly from where their rockets were fired from and then they return fire.

Why doesn't Israel back this up with proof? Whenever they bomb a school, hospital or apartment complex they say Hamas was using it to launch rockets but they never show any of the wreckage from the launch platform. Seeing how Israel has admitted to targeting civilians makes the part of the debate moot.

If the Palestine government removed HAMAS and the other terrorist organizations from the Gaza strip the fighting would cease and possibly there would be a chance for peace.

If you believe this then you are living in a dreamland. Israel wants all of Palestine's land because they want to reclaim their "biblical homeland".

When Israel and its people moved back they found the land given to them filthy, the waters were infested and the land was barren.

The Zionist chose the most fertile land to steal. How did they know it was fertile? Because it was being farmed.

You finish your thread off by talking about both but from beginning to end you do nothing but blame Palestine. How can you overlook the numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel? You say nothing about the Israeli settlers that use Palestinians for target practice. like when they shot a little girl in the head while she was walking to school even though they had an escort by the IDF the IDF stood by and did nothing they let the Settler just walk off. The Israeli government stands by and does next to nothing about them even when these settlers attack the IDF they still do nothing. Maybe you should do a little more research about the people you aren't talking about you will see they are far worse than Hamas.

israel are terrorists and hamas is good.

israel is a thief and a genocidal maniac.

poor palestinians in prison and dying at unprecedented rates, not seen since the OT.

now can i has my 25 stars for this post?

the pali's are the problem since their duly elected government is run by a known/declared terror group.

Does the truth get your knickers in a wad? Also the whole world does not look at Hamas as a terrorist group. Norway, Russia, Turkey, UK and China does not view Hamas as a terrorist organization. But you are right how dare those savages try to keep their homes and land from being stolen from them by the Chosen ones.

The UK does deem Hamas a terrorist organisation.

Calling Jews "chosen ones," speaks volumes about your agenda.

No the UK does not view Hamas as a whole as a terrorist organization. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have been listed as a terrorist organization but not Hamas as a whole.
Poll: 70% of Israeli Jews believe Jews are 'Chosen People'

“The study also found that 70 percent of respondents believe the Jews are the “Chosen People,” 65 percent believe the Torah and mitzvot (religious commandments ) are God-given, and 56 percent believe in life after death… Among other things, it found that less than half of Israeli Jews think that, in a clash between Jewish law and democracy, democratic values should always prevail.

Jews as the chosen people

In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

The UK is also part of the EU which rules Hamas illegal. You implied the UK doesn't view Hamas a group engaged in terrorism which it clearly does.

http s://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/324603/20140627-List_of_Proscribed_organisations_WEBSITE_final.pdf

The chosenness refers to a specific set of responsibilities beyond the Seven Laws of Noah given to all mankind.

It doesn't mean Jews think they're better than anyone else as you imply. It's actually a burden.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: milomilo

Palestinian as Evicted Squatter - that priceless. Make up some more, please.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Hamas and other terrorist are cowards and the Palestine government will not expel these criminals better yet put them in jail for life for terrorism.

Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. If you apply the same things to Israel then the Israeli government is cowards and should be put in jail for terrorism.

They fire their rockets from within civilian neighborhoods at which point the Israelis can pin point exactly from where their rockets were fired from and then they return fire.

Why doesn't Israel back this up with proof? Whenever they bomb a school, hospital or apartment complex they say Hamas was using it to launch rockets but they never show any of the wreckage from the launch platform. Seeing how Israel has admitted to targeting civilians makes the part of the debate moot.

If the Palestine government removed HAMAS and the other terrorist organizations from the Gaza strip the fighting would cease and possibly there would be a chance for peace.

If you believe this then you are living in a dreamland. Israel wants all of Palestine's land because they want to reclaim their "biblical homeland".

When Israel and its people moved back they found the land given to them filthy, the waters were infested and the land was barren.

The Zionist chose the most fertile land to steal. How did they know it was fertile? Because it was being farmed.

You finish your thread off by talking about both but from beginning to end you do nothing but blame Palestine. How can you overlook the numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel? You say nothing about the Israeli settlers that use Palestinians for target practice. like when they shot a little girl in the head while she was walking to school even though they had an escort by the IDF the IDF stood by and did nothing they let the Settler just walk off. The Israeli government stands by and does next to nothing about them even when these settlers attack the IDF they still do nothing. Maybe you should do a little more research about the people you aren't talking about you will see they are far worse than Hamas.

israel are terrorists and hamas is good.

israel is a thief and a genocidal maniac.

poor palestinians in prison and dying at unprecedented rates, not seen since the OT.

now can i has my 25 stars for this post?

the pali's are the problem since their duly elected government is run by a known/declared terror group.

Does the truth get your knickers in a wad? Also the whole world does not look at Hamas as a terrorist group. Norway, Russia, Turkey, UK and China does not view Hamas as a terrorist organization. But you are right how dare those savages try to keep their homes and land from being stolen from them by the Chosen ones.

The UK does deem Hamas a terrorist organisation.

Calling Jews "chosen ones," speaks volumes about your agenda.

No the UK does not view Hamas as a whole as a terrorist organization. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have been listed as a terrorist organization but not Hamas as a whole.
Poll: 70% of Israeli Jews believe Jews are 'Chosen People'

“The study also found that 70 percent of respondents believe the Jews are the “Chosen People,” 65 percent believe the Torah and mitzvot (religious commandments ) are God-given, and 56 percent believe in life after death… Among other things, it found that less than half of Israeli Jews think that, in a clash between Jewish law and democracy, democratic values should always prevail.

Jews as the chosen people

In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

so are you an israeli jew?
30% don't think they are "chosen"

you are just using "chosen ones" as a pejorative.
everybody knows that.

a reply to: Jesuslives4u
I keep reading this headline, and every time it just ticks me off. Palestine is not the problem.

any kid know the land is owned by Israeli and it is their's legally.

but

can israel not kill any palestinian please

in the meantime :

american should return the land to the indians because it is their's legally..

Palestine is not the problem. Palestine belong to the Palestinians. Palestinians are called Palestinians because the are from Palestine. 9 million Palestinians are outside of Palestine as refugees.

The Israelis are people from 120 countries who immigrated to Palestine illegaly while Palestine was occupied by the English the eternal enemies of Palestinians (since the crusaders and Richard the LionHeart).
All Prime Ministers of Israel are born in Ukraine so far (minus the dead Sharon who was born in Checkoslovakia).
The Israelis are Europpeans (Europpean Caucasian Race (Gog) from Ukraine and the Caucasus (home of Magog). They are not the ancient Israelites. They are thieves who robbed Palestine from
Palestinians who are the desendents of the Ancient Israelites and Arabs the only descendents of Abraham.

The Contemporary Jews are not related to Abraham . They are desendents of Magog of the Caucasian race of which the United Nations is made to preserve the power of the Caucasian race AKA the Europpeans AKA gog and Magog.

what in the world is a magog ?

that would be you if you are of Europpean ancestry?
did you not hear of Gog and Magog before???
like in the Bible??

originally posted by: resistanceisfutile
Honestly I wish any kind of topic regarding to Israel - Palestine situation would be banned.

It's so convoluted now nobodies truly knows what is going on as both sides are compulsive liars - don't give a rats ass who your news source is. The only people who truly know what is going on are those that live there; and those who give a media interview about it are most likely simply propaganda picked interviewees.

This whole subject is simply shrouded by people who think they know the history better than the last person who commented...

Palestinian supporters here, simply know little of what they talk about.let just want to "stand against the machine and not conform" and believe the typical Hamas laughable propaganda.

Israeli supporters here do so simply because they think it's what good, democratic believing, God fearing people do.

Go there...live there...then make your mind up....but if you come back and speak of it...I will simply likely believe your just a propaganda machine for whatever side you pick.

And for the record.... I have never been to Israel (yet) but am a Jewish convert. If you think for one moment you know where I stand on this conflict, you simply don't.

Very simple solution to what you are whinging about, don't click on the link to the thread and you won't get offended, there is literally hundreds of more threads to read on ATS but you pick the one you wish wasn't here! Why do that to yourself

the Palestinians have the right to throw rockets any where in their country. If the rockets fell on thieves then the theives got caught red handed because they should not be in the Palestinians country in the first place.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
that would be you if you are of Europpean ancestry?
did you not hear of Gog and Magog before???
like in the Bible??

no way it's in the bible.. it sounds like names from children's book.. what in the heck is gog and magog ? is it the giant's name in jack in the beanstalk ?

originally posted by: milomilo

originally posted by: adnanmuf
that would be you if you are of Europpean ancestry?
did you not hear of Gog and Magog before???
like in the Bible??

no way it's in the bible.. it sounds like names from children's book.. what in the heck is gog and magog ? is it the giant's name in jack in the beanstalk ?

ah, there are so many versions of the Bible; it is possible it is just not in "your" version.

but in many other versions it is:

and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
Palestine is not the problem. Palestine belong to the Palestinians. Palestinians are called Palestinians because the are from Palestine. 9 million Palestinians are outside of Palestine as refugees.

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".

- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -


"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".

- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -


"As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants".

- Walid Shoebat, an "ex-Palestinian" Arab -

The sad reality is..none of it matters much..none of this bickering or their bickering or any bickering....who gives a flying f*ck really about what you think or think you know?

Dead is dead...gone..not coming back....that's the only absolute fact here.


The IDF just declared war on Gaza...again.

" The rockets" they say...we have a right we have a right....lets ignore the 128 IDF breeches of ceasefires until now that have led to mistrust in them...lets ignore that the Gazan people and government was not even included in ceasefire talks at all anyway....they knew what going back to quiet meant...they all knew exactly what would happen here...the worlds shiftiest set up and shortest ceasefire is over now....yet even that doesn't matter anymore.


What does?

Children................................what matters now is that little kids, babies, teens and toddlers, that could so easily be yours but through birth lottery aren't, those innocent souls who have done absolutely nothing wrong, who never have done anything wrong and will never get a chance to, will die again tonight........... all because grown ups can't be and dont wan't to be, grown up.


Everyone scrambles to announce they have The Right....this entire hell on earth wont end until they start grasping the Responsibility that comes with it.

And you are...Responsible.



Congratulations. Your all so terribly right...and you are all..so terribly wrong.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: jed001

originally posted by: FlySolo
I think any country that goes into melt down because three kids were killed is the problem. It's childish. There is no hope for a country to get into the 21st century when their ideology is "an eye for an eye"

let your children be killed and see how you feel

There is no proof that Hamas or any other Palestinians had anything to do with those deaths. Out of the hundreds arrested still no arrests Israel used those kids deaths to start a police action on the Palestinians. They should start looking for the killers in Israel.

i was just speaking of deaths in general , not specifically the teenagers that were kidnapped and killed. shame on who ever did something like this , but in the new escalation once again Israel is just responding to Hamas aggression