Palistine is the Problem Not Israel

I'm with ya homie! This information war, the public have the upper hand this time cause we have a choice as to accept the media as it is or look for the truth. Fortunately, they are truth-seekers that open ways as well for us and independent reporters to have a say in it as well. It doesn't have to be a personal opinion. And media people should know that shallow attention-grabbing headlines don't really work for long. Humans are naturally inquisitive and forever asking and reasoning. There are aspects that the dude up there haven't really seen. And thanks to him, we see another aspect that...well, I've never expected a person next to me would have. It's crazy how the power of unity against injustice is. Cause at my place, people of multiple origins, race and background are all against Israel. Almost automatically. The rallies organized had been featured in so many newspapers of so many languages in my country.
Another thing for Freenrgy2, before the partitioning of Palestine by UN in 1948, the Jews only constitute for 7% of the Palestine land. Majority were the Muslims and Christians. The Jews that inhabit Israel now are pooled from Europe and Russia (correct me if I'm mistaken). I think, most of them, at that time, were not even the native inhabitant of Palestine. Of course they'll go on and on about the Promised Land for the Children of Israel. I'm not going to revise it and say it has nothing to do with everything that Israel is doing. They are performing yet a new Genocide to 'empty' a country to fit all of their kind...that's harsh. Who am I kidding, that's unacceptable. Jews had experience the horror of Holocaust and kept repeating how they barely survived it, basking in the never-ending sympathy and praises for their high survival skills; how they are great to have overcome all that. But now, Israel is doing it on the Palestinians...with the world looking over their shoulder pretending not to notice. Some even have the gall to say that they think Palestinians should the get the heck out of there. If the Arabs Palestinians survive this, they come out in style. Cause it's been waaaaay too long. And this gives Jews and entirely bad name. I have Jewish friends who are deeply offended by what Israel is doing right now. a reply to: Mr Mask

How is it not? a reply to: CommandoJoe

And what are the likeliness to miss targets and 'accidentally' hit homes, schools and hospitals...right? Pfftt. a reply to: buster2010

originally posted by: jheated5
Yeah Palestine is the problem because they're in the way of the Israeli settlers who want to build condos on their gravestones... Those women and children terrorists that have killed 0 Israelis with all those rockets are the problem too!

if Hamas would not use human shields than there would be less dead women and children , the blood is on the hands of Hamas

originally posted by: FlySolo
I think any country that goes into melt down because three kids were killed is the problem. It's childish. There is no hope for a country to get into the 21st century when their ideology is "an eye for an eye"

let your children be killed and see how you feel

originally posted by: jed001

originally posted by: FlySolo
I think any country that goes into melt down because three kids were killed is the problem. It's childish. There is no hope for a country to get into the 21st century when their ideology is "an eye for an eye"

let your children be killed and see how you feel

There is no proof that Hamas or any other Palestinians had anything to do with those deaths. Out of the hundreds arrested still no arrests Israel used those kids deaths to start a police action on the Palestinians. They should start looking for the killers in Israel.

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: intrepid

That area has not always been referred to as Palestine. There is no nation known as Palestine, no true Palestinian people.

Call them displaced arabs, most likely Jordanians.

Oh please Palestine has existed sine it was named by the Romans. The place that never existed however was a nation called Israel it didn't exist until 1948.

Exactly. Arabic doesn't even have a letter "P".

The Romans were Arabs?

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Hamas and other terrorist are cowards and the Palestine government will not expel these criminals better yet put them in jail for life for terrorism.

Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. If you apply the same things to Israel then the Israeli government is cowards and should be put in jail for terrorism.

They fire their rockets from within civilian neighborhoods at which point the Israelis can pin point exactly from where their rockets were fired from and then they return fire.

Why doesn't Israel back this up with proof? Whenever they bomb a school, hospital or apartment complex they say Hamas was using it to launch rockets but they never show any of the wreckage from the launch platform. Seeing how Israel has admitted to targeting civilians makes the part of the debate moot.

If the Palestine government removed HAMAS and the other terrorist organizations from the Gaza strip the fighting would cease and possibly there would be a chance for peace.

If you believe this then you are living in a dreamland. Israel wants all of Palestine's land because they want to reclaim their "biblical homeland".

When Israel and its people moved back they found the land given to them filthy, the waters were infested and the land was barren.

The Zionist chose the most fertile land to steal. How did they know it was fertile? Because it was being farmed.

You finish your thread off by talking about both but from beginning to end you do nothing but blame Palestine. How can you overlook the numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel? You say nothing about the Israeli settlers that use Palestinians for target practice. like when they shot a little girl in the head while she was walking to school even though they had an escort by the IDF the IDF stood by and did nothing they let the Settler just walk off. The Israeli government stands by and does next to nothing about them even when these settlers attack the IDF they still do nothing. Maybe you should do a little more research about the people you aren't talking about you will see they are far worse than Hamas.

israel are terrorists and hamas is good.

israel is a thief and a genocidal maniac.

poor palestinians in prison and dying at unprecedented rates, not seen since the OT.

now can i has my 25 stars for this post?

the pali's are the problem since their duly elected government is run by a known/declared terror group.

Does the truth get your knickers in a wad? Also the whole world does not look at Hamas as a terrorist group. Norway, Russia, Turkey, UK and China does not view Hamas as a terrorist organization. But you are right how dare those savages try to keep their homes and land from being stolen from them by the Chosen ones.

The UK does deem Hamas a terrorist organisation.

Calling Jews "chosen ones," speaks volumes about your agenda.

No the UK does not view Hamas as a whole as a terrorist organization. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have been listed as a terrorist organization but not Hamas as a whole.
Poll: 70% of Israeli Jews believe Jews are 'Chosen People'

“The study also found that 70 percent of respondents believe the Jews are the “Chosen People,” 65 percent believe the Torah and mitzvot (religious commandments ) are God-given, and 56 percent believe in life after death… Among other things, it found that less than half of Israeli Jews think that, in a clash between Jewish law and democracy, democratic values should always prevail.

Jews as the chosen people

In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

originally posted by: FlySolo
I think any country that goes into melt down because three kids were killed is the problem. It's childish. There is no hope for a country to get into the 21st century when their ideology is "an eye for an eye"

This is a good point. What about the many Palestinians who get kidnapped admittedly by Israelis every year? Maybe the rocket attacks have a little to do with that. That and their homes getting bulldozed so that Israel can build "new settlements" where Palestinians just lived.

IMO, Israel is the problem, and it's sickening how many dual citizens of Israel that are "American" politicians.

Palestine needs world help. Israel needs to be boycotted for eternity.

a reply to: Anglojew

This just isn't true. 75% of the British mandate of Palestine was given to the Arabs in 1921 and ruled off limits to Jews.

This is imply not true. If there was to be no Jews there as you claim then why was this included in the preamble of the Mandate?

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: demus
yes, I get it.

You don't think any sides in the conflict are "more responsible" but you titled your thread: "PALESTINE IS THE PROBLEM NOT ISRAEL"

Palestine is not the problem.

Israel itself is not a problem.

Zionism however is a problem.

I meant with the current issue of rockets being fired from Palestine. You see Israel has an army who has been trained by the Americans on how to triangle someone's position. So when these terrorist are next to schools and hospitals and they fire their rockets seconds later the Israel computers calculate from where the Hamas rockets were fired from and they return fire automatically - in most cases.

This is why Palestine is at fault. They should stop Hamas and other terrorist from using humans as shields. This to me is a coward.

oh sorry, I didn't know that Israeli army "has been trained by the Americans on how to triangle someone's position"...

is that the same Americans who killed thousands upon thousands CIVILIANS by airstrikes alone in Afghanistan alone?

good info.

Well your wrong alot of the land was barren waste land throughout its history. Farming was always difficult many people preferred heardimg easier. But than around late 40s early 50s isreal started turning deserts into fams by setting up irrigation systems. Prior to that people huddled around major cities and the coast. Gaza used to be buetiful area play ground of the rich with luxury hotels hard to imagine it like that now.

Even if you hate Isreal you have to give them credit for transforming a desert into a habitable area. Many here seem to think that this area was always inhabited it wasnt most of it was just a waste land this is also why there are no clear land titles. Very similar to parts of say Nevada go drive into the dessert and try to figure out who owns it. Most lukely it will be the government because no title is on file. This is what Isreal tries to do with settlements go into area make it productive than file for a land claim. I dont agree with this practice partly think they should have to buy it and takea risk Of failing. This also leads to abuse of the system since they worry about someone else staking a claim leads to unneeded conflicts.

a reply to: buster2010

This is imply not true.

actually it would depend on the Census at the time would it not?

u know pop. per%


www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: liteonit6969

" bad for YOUR neighbourhood. " actually it would pull the neighbourhood together"
, and the next, black Isil flag,too change neighbourhoods,, gets a whole.
or masked intruder.
with Stalins Organ playing in the background.

if u get my drift,,,

10 cm left and down, abit,,

If you think sending teenagers over to Israel to blow up themselves to murder innocent Jews and innocent muslims is a good thing,MY God your priorties are insane and you need help.Terrible hatred and shameful to be this hateful.Then the Hamas leaders go run and hide like Saddam Huessein and Osama Bin Laden.They are just brainwashing innocent Palestine chirdlren.

originally posted by: Jobeycool
If you think sending teenagers over to Israel to blow up themselves to murder innocent Jews and innocent muslims is a good thing,MY God your priorties are insane and you need help.Terrible hatred and shameful to be this hateful.Then the Hamas leaders go run and hide like Saddam Huessein and Osama Bin Laden.They are just brainwashing innocent Palestine chirdlren.

whop! straight from the notebook!?

what are you saying brother?

who is saying what?

I am saying there are almost 200 dead Palestinian civilians and that Israel is responsible for the escalation since they didn't even try to investigate the killing of a three teenagers but they rather went with their "gut feeling" (as one of my friends like to say) and accuse Hamas - provoke escalation.

there you go.

there is probably more than 1000 injured Palestinian civilians at the moment since last 7 days.

what did you say, how many Israelis have been killed and injured by those crazy brainwashed scary terrorists from Palestine?

how many?

My information comes straight form an Israeli citizen. I tend to believe him when he tells me that the problem is neither the Palestinian or the Israeli people, but the Israeli and American governments. He has told me that the Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians are friends.

I would also like to add that one day, my husband and I along with some other mutual friends were quite concerned when the media was reporting that his neighborhood got blown up. We were relived to hear from him. He confirmed that his house and neighborhood was still standing, and that the U.S. and U.K. media had made the entire thing up.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Well your wrong alot of the land was barren waste land throughout its history.

Nope sorry ..another lie!

When will you learn, facts out do propaganda every single time.

Pre 1948 Palestine

a reply to: BO XIAN

Facts eh?

www.washingtonsblog.com...

Did you read it? Doubt it. Or, do you care to comment?

The United Nations needs to step in. It's time to give our moral backing and support to the original mission and intention of them.