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originally posted by: EnPassant
True, but official disclosure will not come until there is a crisis that forces it or until some faction or other sees a clear and present advantage in going public.
originally posted by: deloprator20000
Consider the following, if nearly 80% of people in the U.S. believe in the existence of ET life and their current presence on our planet AND can point to good, well vetted, logically consistent reports, AND can get their own disclosure, then what would it matter what the government states publicly?
originally posted by: Rob48
originally posted by: deloprator20000
Consider the following, if nearly 80% of people in the U.S. believe in the existence of ET life and their current presence on our planet AND can point to good, well vetted, logically consistent reports, AND can get their own disclosure, then what would it matter what the government states publicly?
Well exactly: people can believe what they like but it won't change anything because it still won't magic aliens into existence here in Earth.
Why do people seem incapable of separating the idea that ET life exists elsewhere in the universe (which is pretty likely) from the idea that it has to be here on Earth (which is exceedingly unlikely given the total lack of evidence)?
It's like saying "diamonds exist on Earth, therefore they must be lying in my garden waiting to be dug up", except that the scale misconception is trillions of times bigger.
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Phage
On one hand they were bright enough to build pyramids with precision yet so stupid they didn't know the difference between a dream and reality.
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: EnPassant
you are operating on a herd mentality. I'll choose to think for myself and don't need some "official" telling me what to think
originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: EnPassant
I really think bottle sling guy is looking at it in a very egotistical and unrealistic way.
" it doesn't matter what everyone else says or what proof there is for or against something because I KNOW!"
The scientific community and governments accepting something as truth has always had monumental effects on society. So the premiss that it doesn't matter what the powers that be think because " everyone else is wrong and I'm right" is silly at best destructive at worse.
It's the same mentality as evangelicals and extremist Muslims.
originally posted by: EnPassant
originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: EnPassant
This whole thread seems to be starting from the premise that there is already something to be disclosed, which is rather presumptuous.
I would not characterize it as presumptuous. There is a compelling argument for the reality of these machines.
It IS presumptuous for the following reasons.
The reality of UFOs is uncontested except by a few hard-line skeptics but, on the other hand, being a skeptic is natural where being a believer is the result of mind-conditioning.
"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
—Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, 1960.