The Titanic didnt sink, its sister the Olympic did!

originally posted by: Psynic
The point is, the wing propellors would have been completely interchangeable and it is completely reasonable to hypothesize White Star would not hesitate to use an Olympic spare part on the Titanic if need be.

Sure - I have no problem with that as a hypothesis - I was making het point about the central prop and nothing more.

However back to the hypothesis - it certainly could have happened.

Now is there any evidence that it DID happen?

I think not.

I doubt in that day and age, CPP were in vogue at all.
a reply to: Psynic

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
There's another issue that we need to consider. What the hell would have been the point of switching the propellers? Why bother?

Because a damaged propeller would run out of balance! Watch how your washing machine shakes when the washing is not evenly distributed. Now imagine several tons of propeller doing that! They needed the ship to reach the ice fields, but had the prop been out of balance it probably wouldn't have even got out of the harbor before the ship ripped itself apart.

So there ya go, a reason why they'd change the propeller.

But during the collision with the Hawke the propeller wasn't damaged at all - it was the propeller shaft. There's a difference. And all the evidence shows that the Titanic was being steered on a more Southerly course than normal to avoid any ice, due to messages from ships that had seen ice on their own voyages. They were trying to avoid the ice. It wasn't their fault that it was an abnormal year for ice.

How could a destroyer ie hawk get sucked in by the propeller suction of the olympic

originally posted by: Nochzwei
How could a destroyer ie hawk get sucked in by the propeller suction of the olympic

She was a cruiser. Olympic was huge and the suction she generated was something that no-one had anticipated.

You wanna talk about getting 'sucked in' ?

The evidence of a conspiracy is plentiful. These same owners of the White Star line would go on only 2 years later to start the Federal Reserve and begin the process of milking America dry of all it's wealth. Isn't it odd that when the filthy rich up their insurance only weeks before a disaster that they profit from they get paid. Anyone else trying that would be convicted of fraud. It's all in who you know and who owes you favors.

Nice thread Void!

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
There's another issue that we need to consider. What the hell would have been the point of switching the propellers? Why bother?

Because a damaged propeller would run out of balance! Watch how your washing machine shakes when the washing is not evenly distributed. Now imagine several tons of propeller doing that! They needed the ship to reach the ice fields, but had the prop been out of balance it probably wouldn't have even got out of the harbor before the ship ripped itself apart.

So there ya go, a reason why they'd change the propeller.

But during the collision with the Hawke the propeller wasn't damaged at all - it was the propeller shaft. There's a difference. And all the evidence shows that the Titanic was being steered on a more Southerly course than normal to avoid any ice, due to messages from ships that had seen ice on their own voyages. They were trying to avoid the ice. It wasn't their fault that it was an abnormal year for ice.

The Olympic also damaged a propeller when it ran over a sunken ship!

"ran over a sunken ship" ?

Not much of a mariner are ya?

originally posted by: Nochzwei
How could a destroyer ie hawk get sucked in by the propeller suction of the olympic

Take a look at how big the propellers were!
When they spin they push VAST amounts of water out behind them, that water has to come from somewhere. The water along side the liner moves towards the liner to replace the water pushed out the back by the propeller. Any ship in that water will be drawn towards the liner.

originally posted by: Psynic

"ran over a sunken ship" ?

Not much of a mariner are ya?

Never claimed I was!
But just for you - Steamed over - Floated over - insert whatever keeps you happy

To pull this off wouldn't they have to switch everything on the ships? They'd have to swap all the linens, dishes, glassware, etc. from both of the ships and nobody noticed? Thousands of personnel on those ships. I dunno, seems iffy to me.

originally posted by: Foundryman
To pull this off wouldn't they have to switch everything on the ships? They'd have to swap all the linens, dishes, glassware, etc. from both of the ships and nobody noticed? Thousands of personnel on those ships. I dunno, seems iffy to me.

Ssssssh!

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
There's another issue that we need to consider. What the hell would have been the point of switching the propellers? Why bother?

Because a damaged propeller would run out of balance! Watch how your washing machine shakes when the washing is not evenly distributed. Now imagine several tons of propeller doing that! They needed the ship to reach the ice fields, but had the prop been out of balance it probably wouldn't have even got out of the harbor before the ship ripped itself apart.

So there ya go, a reason why they'd change the propeller.

But during the collision with the Hawke the propeller wasn't damaged at all - it was the propeller shaft. There's a difference. And all the evidence shows that the Titanic was being steered on a more Southerly course than normal to avoid any ice, due to messages from ships that had seen ice on their own voyages. They were trying to avoid the ice. It wasn't their fault that it was an abnormal year for ice.

The Olympic also damaged a propeller when it ran over a sunken ship!

Erm, when exactly was that? I know that Olympic threw a prop blade, but that was down to bad metallurgy.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
There's another issue that we need to consider. What the hell would have been the point of switching the propellers? Why bother?

Because a damaged propeller would run out of balance! Watch how your washing machine shakes when the washing is not evenly distributed. Now imagine several tons of propeller doing that! They needed the ship to reach the ice fields, but had the prop been out of balance it probably wouldn't have even got out of the harbor before the ship ripped itself apart.

So there ya go, a reason why they'd change the propeller.

But during the collision with the Hawke the propeller wasn't damaged at all - it was the propeller shaft. There's a difference. And all the evidence shows that the Titanic was being steered on a more Southerly course than normal to avoid any ice, due to messages from ships that had seen ice on their own voyages. They were trying to avoid the ice. It wasn't their fault that it was an abnormal year for ice.

The Olympic also damaged a propeller when it ran over a sunken ship!

Erm, when exactly was that? I know that Olympic threw a prop blade, but that was down to bad metallurgy.

From my op

If you want to dispute this theory then fine, but please do so AFTER watching the linked video, without doing so you might not have all the facts!

You didn't watch it, did you!?

originally posted by: Foundryman
To pull this off wouldn't they have to switch everything on the ships? They'd have to swap all the linens, dishes, glassware, etc. from both of the ships and nobody noticed? Thousands of personnel on those ships. I dunno, seems iffy to me.

Another one who comments without watching the video!
White star line's "linens, dishes, glassware, etc" was common to all there ships. The only things that differed were the ships name on the side of the ship, the name plates on the life boats, and the life belts!

Did you even bother to read the op? because your questions were answered there!

That film is a load of bunk. Look at the credits to see who the Executive Producer was? Can you believe - Ray Santilli of Hoax Alien Autopsy fame?

You referenced the 'MP' footage and wrote "but there's one piece that’s very hard to dispute! Look at this picture, what do you see?" - Really, seriously with Ray Santilli in the mix?. Did you also fall for his Alien Autopsy footage? So where did this part of the footage come from? What dive expedition? Why are the producers of the film not highlighting exactly where the footage comes from and the rest of the footage taken during that dive expedition? Exactly, because it is simply thrown in with computer graphics and gullible people fall for it just like they did with the Alien Autopsy hoax. Easy money!

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: Nochzwei
How could a destroyer ie hawk get sucked in by the propeller suction of the olympic

Take a look at how big the propellers were!
When they spin they push VAST amounts of water out behind them, that water has to come from somewhere. The water along side the liner moves towards the liner to replace the water pushed out the back by the propeller. Any ship in that water will be drawn towards the liner.

Yes but no so much as to ram her, puncture the hull, damage/ bend the prop shaft and bend the keel plate.

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: Nochzwei
How could a destroyer ie hawk get sucked in by the propeller suction of the olympic

Take a look at how big the propellers were!
When they spin they push VAST amounts of water out behind them, that water has to come from somewhere. The water along side the liner moves towards the liner to replace the water pushed out the back by the propeller. Any ship in that water will be drawn towards the liner.

Yes but no so much as to ram her, puncture the hull, damage/ bend the prop shaft and bend the keel plate.

Well, it DID happen, and apart from you nobody is disputing it, not the navy, not White star, and not even the captains of both ships!

originally posted by: tommyjo
That film is a load of bunk. Look at the credits to see who the Executive Producer was? Can you believe - Ray Santilli of Hoax Alien Autopsy fame?

You referenced the 'MP' footage and wrote "but there's one piece that’s very hard to dispute! Look at this picture, what do you see?" - Really, seriously with Ray Santilli in the mix?. Did you also fall for his Alien Autopsy footage? So where did this part of the footage come from? What dive expedition? Why are the producers of the film not highlighting exactly where the footage comes from and the rest of the footage taken during that dive expedition? Exactly, because it is simply thrown in with computer graphics and gullible people fall for it just like they did with the Alien Autopsy hoax. Easy money!

Yawn.....