White driver beaten by black mob of 30 in Detroit.

reply to post by 3u40r15m


It is very much a "look at what Detroit did now" kind of thing.

Most people won't admit to it but they say "Detroit" but they mean "black people". Read the posts and tell me the two things are not interchangeable.

The hate in this thread is thick enough to cut and people wonder why it never gets any better.

FWIW- it is a bait/con to let a kid get smacked by a car. It almost always means the driver will get out of the vehicle to check on the kid and then the "mob" or older gang members will move in to beat and rob the victim. I would not be at all surprised if that turns out to be the case. The police are not linking the kid to the assault yet, but they have made four arrests so far (oldest one is 17).

reply to post by 200Plus


I think you're right. It's kind of like a 'murphy' as some call it. What if this happen in East La? People would just say, "well he should have known better than to be driving around that part of town"...

3u40r15m
reply to post by 200Plus

 

Well that sucks for the drive,r but to be honest it seems more like local news... What is their really to discuss about this story? How bad Detroit supposedly is? What the driver should have done?

What is there to discuss?? Really??

How about, if you hit a kid in the wrong neighborhood you keep driving to the nearest police station and you call 911... You do not stop!

Anybody that reads the story can take that out of it. It's common sense.

kimish

3u40r15m
reply to post by 200Plus

 

Well that sucks for the drive,r but to be honest it seems more like local news... What is their really to discuss about this story? How bad Detroit supposedly is? What the driver should have done?

What is there to discuss?? Really??

How about, if you hit a kid in the wrong neighborhood you keep driving to the nearest police station and you call 911... You do not stop!

Anybody that reads the story can take that out of it. It's common sense.

Actually If you hit a kid and drive to the nearest police station you will be accused of fleeing the scene.....

reply to post by 3u40r15m


Sorry you missed the part about calling 911.

After all, there is a thing called self preservation, which unfortunately Mr. Utash didnt have in the back of his mind.
And with Christians, self preservation is a religious thing... so yeah, that could've opened a can of other worms.


Hit somebody not deathly, fear for your life considering, call 911 (responsible), find nearest police station.

Unfortunately you're naive to the times, as another poster stated, people will use a child to step out in front of a moving vehicle for them to stop and get robbed.

If you want me to elaborate on the "ways" U2U me. I grew up with 'hood' dudes, i know how they work.

200Plus
reply to post by pavil

 

With all due respect,

You are a Michigander not a Detroiter. You have ZERO idea what goes on in the minds of people that grew up on these streets. People from Taylor that "claim' Detroit, people from Jackson that "claim" Detroit, people from Gaylord that "claim" Detroit. LOL

They all denounce Detroit and lock their doors and fill up their tanks before they "hit the city proper". A Detroiter doesn't want a child to grow up with that kind of fear in their heart. Detroit breeds it out of them. I grew up in Detroit, I left when I was 18. I have walked the streets of Korea, Germany, Iraq, Djbouti, and the Ivory Coast. My heart rate never went up. Why? Because I saw worse before I turned 16, that's why.

Fear is a mind killer

edit on 6-4-2014 by 200Plus because: (no reason given)

Dude you have no cred with me. I've had friends shot. I have seen good Honor Roll Friends turned into drooling crack junkies. Seen people get beat to bloody messes and worse. I've been robbed at gunpoint in a restaurant at 7 Mile and Van Dyke. Zero idea??? Detroit doesn't breed fear out of anyone, you learn to always be in 360 mode. I learned my street smarts firsthand, just didn't want to be another statistic/thug. Please don't try and tell what it's like, I've been there and done that. I just never let my surroundings dictate my outcome. Some people can't do that.

Oh, BTW, since you left Detroit at 18, far earlier than I did, I guess you are not a real Detroiter either.

Heres a google shot of my old neighborhood in Detroit, all of those green spots are vacant lots that used to be houses in a thriving neighborhood. Now it's all gone. Take a street view tour of what it looks like. Even most of the remaining houses are burnt or boarded up.
Google map

3u40r15m

I don't think the story is accurate... The driver probably tried to run or something. And witnesses or other family members caught him and dinged him up a bit. Two sides to every story. But that response is what SHOULD happen when a kid gets hit. Make sure the kids ok, send the kid inside, and then throw punches,

##snipped## Did you even look at the video or read any articles about it? The kid literally ran out in front of the truck, there was NO WAY he could avoid him. It wasn't the drivers fault and he did the right thing, stopping to check on the boy he hit. Your imaginary story of how things played out is sad. He hit the kid who ran in front of his truck, stopped to check on him and was beat by about a dozen people who then left him for a second then came back and beat him more and robbed him and his truck as well for good measure.


You think he had it coming.........Wow.

pavil

3u40r15m

I don't think the story is accurate... The driver probably tried to run or something. And witnesses or other family members caught him and dinged him up a bit. Two sides to every story. But that response is what SHOULD happen when a kid gets hit. Make sure the kids ok, send the kid inside, and then throw punches,

##snipped## Did you even look at the video or read any articles about it? The kid literally ran out in front of the truck, there was NO WAY he could avoid him. It wasn't the drivers fault and he did the right thing, stopping to check on the boy he hit. Your imaginary story of how things played out is sad. He hit the kid who ran in front of his truck, stopped to check on him and was beat by about a dozen people who then left him for a second then came back and beat him more and robbed him and his truck as well for good measure.


You think he had it coming.........Wow.

edit on Mon Apr 7 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: We expect civility and decorum within all topics.

My first comment was before I saw the video. Then I saw the video and you see the kid jump out but thats it.... but it was probably a murphy situation If you care to read my last post you would see I said that agreeing with another poster. But I dont know I dont wanna analyze it I have seen done and been through it I just like joining discussions.

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I could care less about getting "cred" from anyone on an internet board. Besides I call BS on your map anyways

Sob stories are a dime a dozen sweetness. When you left Detroit what was your first priority in finding a new location (be honest)? Lower crime rate? Cleaner neighborhood? Better schools? or just whiter neighbors?

Detroit is a dangerous place, nobody can deny that. Running away isn't going to solve the problems. Interacting with the kids, being a positive role model, organizing clean-up efforts for the local parks, those things will at least help the next generation. Moving out and slamming on the ones left in the city helps nobody.

Good you left. Stay gone. Claim to be from wherever you live now. Detroit is a stain on humanity. Why would anyone claim to be from there. Wait, you did. Why is that?

pavil

3u40r15m

I don't think the story is accurate... The driver probably tried to run or something. And witnesses or other family members caught him and dinged him up a bit. Two sides to every story. But that response is what SHOULD happen when a kid gets hit. Make sure the kids ok, send the kid inside, and then throw punches,

##snipped## Did you even look at the video or read any articles about it? The kid literally ran out in front of the truck, there was NO WAY he could avoid him. It wasn't the drivers fault and he did the right thing, stopping to check on the boy he hit. Your imaginary story of how things played out is sad. He hit the kid who ran in front of his truck, stopped to check on him and was beat by about a dozen people who then left him for a second then came back and beat him more and robbed him and his truck as well for good measure.


You think he had it coming.........Wow.

edit on Mon Apr 7 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: We expect civility and decorum within all topics.

Whatever who the # knows. Anyone who hits my kid regardless who's fault it is has a beatdown coming. I don't know why you replied to me playing the lawyer role like I'm on anybody's side. I'm just saying nobody knows exactly what happen except people who where their. The camera shows a kid darting in front of the car, but thats it.... Good luck using that as evidence that the guy innocently pulled over to check on the kid...

200Plus. Besides I call BS on your map anyways

Ha, would you like me to tell you about White Elementary or Transfiguration School and it's Grotto or the Two Free Press paper routes I Had. It's my place I've lived at longest in my life. PLEASE.

Good you left. Stay gone. Claim to be from wherever you live now. Detroit is a stain on humanity. Why would anyone claim to be from there. Wait, you did. Why is that?

I know my roots, even though the neighborhood I knew is destroyed. We left after the third break in, call us crazy. Life doesn't have to be always wondering when the next robbery or assault on your street will occur.

Funny thing is, I Haven't left, I have business interests there and help out with numerous civic groups. Yes, one of those do gooder suburbanites "real" residents of Detroit like to scorn for actually trying to help make things better. Fighting windmills I fear. It's sad when people from another City care more for Detroit than it "real" citizens for. Sad.

You believe what you want.

reply to post by 200Plus


Still at it with "don't claim Detroit" eh? I can, and will, and there's not a thing you can do about it.

I'm glad you're keeping with it though and I hope you continue because you are giving people who aren't from here a good glimpse into the mindset which allows things like the Utash beating to occur and explains why the neighborhood is acting the way it is.

You did get something wrong, I only go into the city for business between 2-6 times per month, usually only two. I don't go into the city anymore for any other reason. I don't go to shows, games, casinos, restaurants, I don't even drive through any part of the city if it can be avoided because of the danger level there due to all of the predatory people there who share your "you aren't from here" attitude.

You're typical. In another post in this thread you imply another poster is racist...criticize Detroit and you must be racist, that's typical. You also take the position that the beating was wrong, and you are correct, but then you come back with a quasi-defense and that's the problem. The city is in a state of civic breakdown and law enforcement activity is non-existent except for the casino district, city-county area and Foxtown on gamedays, that's the reality of the situation and allows lot's of nasty things to happen in the city every single day but what are you harping on? The fact that you don't think some people should be able to talk about this because in your opinion they can't "claim" the city, whatever that means but I'm glad you're doing it because it shows everyone why nothing has changed in that city and why nothing ever will.

SprocketUK
I'm not from Detroit, not from America, I'm not even black.
This story has me thinking though, it's pure "Them and us". The same thing will happen to someone in the UK if they are in a particularly bad area, a dodgy council estate or something. It doesn't matter what colour the people are, they'll still mob up against the outsider.

You've got a point here and I think the longer this story is covered the more "them v us" is going to factor in. A lot of the outrage here is not just about the beating/robbery, it's about the way it's being covered and about the reaction of some of the elected officials in Detroit.

I don't think the robbery was motivated by race. From what I've read (and this is my opinion) Mr. Utash had a large amount of cash on him, someone tipped off a few people in that neighborhood to that effect and told them what vehicle he was driving and what route he always took. The stop was made and there was a beating/robbery. The problem arises from the way this has been covered, specifically double standards regarding the lack of action on the part of onlookers. No mention has been made of prosecuting any of the people who stood by and did nothing. A prominent Detroit city council member has described this as a vigilante attack, which implies that Mr. Utash did something wrong and that the attackers were at least a little bit justified. There's more but for the sake of brevity I'll stop there.

This is just my opinion but I think the cops are looking in the wrong place. They're talking to neighborhood people but I think they should be focusing on Mr. Utash's co-workers, people who might have known he was carrying a lot of cash, because it's just too big a coincidence that he got done this way on that particular day and those neighborhood people are not psychic so someone tipped them off. The incident itself was about money, the coverage afterwards is IMO only going to get more and more racial.

reply to post by Goteborg


You are right. Claim what ever you want. Be a navy Seal that works part time as an astronaut and cures cancer. I could give a rats behind. We both know the truth so what does it matter in the end?

My comments about race were directed at the "planet of the apes" posters and the "wall of the city and bomb it" and a dozen others that have nothing to do with Detroit or this attack but simply want to show how "once again the savages are attacking".

You are also right when you say it may never get better. But don't try to blame people like me for that. I struggled to keep my nose clean in Detroit in the mid-80's and early 90's. I gave 20 years to the nation. Now I am retired and I am home again. My son and my nephews will follow in my footsteps as much as I can persuade them too. They will not be thugs. Contrary to what you and others here think and say, not every child raised in Detroit grows up to be a thug and a menace. Home training and mentoring is the foundation for a healthy adult. The problems the inner city kids face is that they lack a father figure in most cases.

I honestly don't believe I defended this attack in any way.

Some years ago in the UK a guy got stabbed on a bus when he asked a kid to stop throwing chips (fries) at his girlfriend. The kid ran off and the guy died on the floor of the bus.

Several weeks later the guy's family - he came from a big family - went down to the estate the kid was from and smashed the place up. Beat up a load of people and bashed in windows and so on. It never got reported in the paper and was ignored by the police.

As a thought experiment, run the story with the kid being black and the guy and his family being white. A lot of (mostly white, I guess) people get a tiny frisson of "good for them", even if it's muted and a bit ashamed.

Then run the story with the kid being white and the family being black. Suddenly they're a black mob bent on violent retribution. A bit scary. Sort of a bit morally justified but still very terrifying.

I write this merely to illustrate that race, and racism, is far more prevalent in people's reading of these incidents than they think it is. And also to show that all kinds of people do all kinds of violent things. Personally I don't think it has much to do with skin colour, and a lot more to do with circumstances (which isn't the same as exonerating bad behaviour).

This story was published this afternoon:

Three men were arraigned Tuesday in the brutal beating of 54-year-old Clinton Township driver Steve Utash. Three men were arraigned Tuesday in the brutal beating of 54-year-old Clinton Township driver Steve Utash.

Bruce Edward Wimbash, 17, was arraigned in 36th District Court Tuesday morning.

Wonzey Saffold, 30, and James Davis, 24, were arraigned Tuesday afternoon. All three are charged with Assault with Intent to Murder and Assault with Intent to do Great Bodily Harm - Less Than Murder

Bond was set at $500,000 each.

www.wxyz.com...

It's good to see that they got two of the adults. The child was released from the hospital 5 days ago.

reply to post by Goteborg


They have a 16 year old as well but he is supposedly being tried in juvenile court (I think that is BS). I am hoping they can get the rest of the crowd as well. Some of these guys might talk if offered a reduced sentence. No honor among thieves and all that.

reply to post by 200Plus


Yeah, I agree, I think it is BS as well. It is encouraging to see that they've arraigned two adults, prior to reading the latest on the story yesterday it did seem as if only the juveniles were going to be given up.

There's been another charge in this case, a juvenile has been charged with Ethnic Intimidation:

A 16-year-old has been charged with assault and ethnic intimidation in connection with the beating of Steve Utash.

The teen, who is in custody as a juvenile, will appear at the Wayne County Juvenile Detention Center on Saturday for a hearing. Ethnic intimidation is commonly referred to as a hate crime.

www.clickondetroit.com...

It is what it is, I've never been a fan of charges being based on race in any way but that's the latest.

Steve Utash came out of his coma today. He's not quite normal, which is to be expected, but he's awake.

www.mlive.com...