Ebola Epidemic Could Become Global Crisis

So here's the latest outbreak map. Anyone else find it incredibly interesting that the epidemic just stops dead at the borders with Mali and Ivory Coast? Or that Sierra Leone (the location of Kenema Hospital and center of the research) is totally covered?

originally posted by: soficrow
Well, WHEW! The UN just ruled it's okay to use West African Ebola victims as guinea pigs for new drug treatments. So by the time it gets to the "civilized" world, we'll be covered. ....Anyone else think the West Africans were manipulated into demanding whatever help might help?

U.N.: It's ethical to try untested Ebola medicines

The World Health Organization declared Tuesday that it's ethical to use unproven Ebola drugs and vaccines in the outbreak in West Africa provided the right conditions are met.

If your insides are being turned to jelly does it really mater what the side effects to expermental treatments are?

Just spotted this from NewsNow :

online.wsj.com...://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240 52702304414104580093602446991756.html

On Friday, Doctors Without Borders likened the situation to a state of war and said the outbreak could last six more months.

"We're running behind a train that is going forward," Joanne Liu, the medical charity's international president, told reporters in Geneva on Friday. "And it literally is faster than what we're bringing in terms of a response."

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

FYI....

Ebola outbreak 'vastly underestimated,' WHO says

…..Arthur Caplan, director of medical ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center, said the choice of who to treat would have to balance helping the largest number of people with learning the most from the treatments.

He said the question is not "whose life do we save?" but "who gets the chance to be experimented on?"

For that reason, recipients need to be good experimental subjects — people who have recently contracted the disease and are more likely to respond to treatment or perhaps younger patients, he said. In order to study the long-term effects, doctors will likely prefer people who can be observed for months, which might eliminate those living in remote places, he added.

If this virus was sooooooooo serious, then why are some workers FULLY protected, and others are wearing zero protection? Just another scare tactic from the rulers of our world. I'm surprised the people are still falling for their bull-dinky.

a reply to: ImDaMan

I'm surprised you didn't do your research to know how hot it is in west Africa, and how little resources these areas are receiving to be properly geared up.

a reply to: ImDaMan

Unless you rub your face on the floor or wall, as long as you are several feet from any infected person, you are fine. Someone just visiting a facility with even known infected persons is probably safe, even without a mask. It's not airborne after all.

originally posted by: fleabit
a reply to: ImDaMan

Unless you rub your face on the floor or wall, as long as you are several feet from any infected person, you are fine. Someone just visiting a facility with even known infected persons is probably safe, even without a mask. It's not airborne after all.

It's airborne, but airborne transmission is inefficient. Let's stick to actual facts, okay? Facing truth is not fearmongering. On the other hand, denying truth creates panic.

a reply to: soficrow

It is not airborne. Why do you think it is? Because of one random study with animals? Airborne viruses can stay aloft for literally hours in a room. It spreads -much- easier. If this were truly airborne, the spread would have already become a pandemic.

Spreading truth is fine, but spreading false information off as "truth" can -also- cause panic.

Not necessarily airborne as per the medical.definition, but it can be contracted through casual contact:

Overall, Ebola virus socio-ecology systems have shown to be linked by direct and indirect transmission through contact with objects from patients. For example, the blood or secretions of an infected person or objects that have been contaminated with infected secretions can reach humans from a variety of hosts/sources

Need of surveillance response systems to combat Ebola outbreaks and other emerging infectious diseases in African countries

And

Case identification and detection, contact tracing and patient clinical assessment and management are not the object of this Guidance document and instructions can be found elsewhere.1, 2 However, regarding IPC measures to be implemented during interviews for contact tracing and case finding in the community, the following principles should be kept in mind: 1) shaking hands should be avoided; 2) a distance of more than one metre (about 3 feet) should be maintained between interviewer and interviewee; 3) PPE is not required if this distance is assured and when interviewing asymptomatic individuals (e.g., neither fever, nor diarrhoea, bleeding or vomiting) and provided there will be no contact with the environment, potentially contaminated with a possible/probable case;] 4) it is advisable to provide workers undertaking contact tracing and case finding in the community with alcohol-based hand rub solutions and instructions to appropriately perform hand hygiene.

Interim Infection Prevention and Control Guidance for Care of Patients with Suspected or Confirmed Filovirus Haemorrhagic Fever in Health-Care Settings, with Focus on Ebola
August 2014

And

Infection, although occurring indirectly through body fluids, is strongly suspected to occur through airborne as well as skin contact transmission.

[url=https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnms/68/5/68_5_370/_article]Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever (EHF): Mechanism of Transmission and Pathogenicity

And

Following the introduction of Ebola virus in the human population through animal-to-human transmission, person-to-person transmission by direct contact bodily fluids/secretions of infected persons is considered the principal mode of transmission. Indirect contact with environment and fomites soiled with contaminated bodily fluids (e.g. needles) may also occur. Airborne transmission has not been documented during previous EVD outbreaks.

There is no risk of transmission during the incubation period.

...

If the patient with illness compatible to EVD develops symptoms while on an aircraft, contact tracing must be made according to the Risk assessment guidelines for diseases transmitted on aircraft (RAGIDA) protocol1, which indicates contact tracing of all those passengers seated within 4 rows ahead and 4 rows behind, as well as the crew on board. If the cleaning of the aircraft is performed by unprotected personnel, they should be considered as contacts. Contacts should be assessed in a designated area within the airport according to the airport contingency plan.

Ebola virus disease (EVD), implications of introduction in the Americas

Now, another "absolute truth" I would question is the ability to transmit this disease only after symptoms have occurred. There is some indication that this might not be 100% true all the time, to whit:

Moreover, patients usually only become contagious – and can spread the virus — once they start contracting symptoms. Prior to the onset of symptoms, it’s typically harder to spread the virus. Yet the onset of symptoms is usually quite severe. So it’s easy to recognize that a person is sick. Moreover, stricken individuals are less likely to travel about – and spread the virus — given their debilitated condition.

Forbes
If Ebola arrives in the U.S., stopping it may rely on controversial tools

"Usually" and" typically" are wiggle room words meaning that these scenarios are not always the case, meaning there has possibly been transmission of the disease prior to the onset of symptoms. I've emailed the author of the article for clarification and links to sources, but I'm not holding out much hope for a response.

The only way we will stop this potential global pandemic is if we treat it seriously and do not underestimate the problems it could cause if not given sufficient precautions.

World health authorities are telling us it is out of control and "vastly underestimated."

That's not fear mongering, that's fact.

originally posted by: fleabit
a reply to: ImDaMan

Unless you rub your face on the floor or wall, as long as you are several feet from any infected person, you are fine. Someone just visiting a facility with even known infected persons is probably safe, even without a mask. It's not airborne after all.

In light of the above-linked documentation, would say this post is an example of cuddle mongering; the deliberate downplaying f a potentially dangerous situation.

Did you see this story today on the news?

news.sky.com...

A link to skynews but i'm sure its been on most news channels. Now, imagine if these illegals in that container had the Ebola virus.... this would have been major problems for England. We must put an end to these illegals trying to gain access via illegal trafficking methods, especially now with this Ebola virus about. If one guy in that container had it, he would have passed it on to the other 34 and if they had escaped before being caught, well....

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Did you see this story today on the news?

news.sky.com...

A link to skynews but i'm sure its been on most news channels. Now, imagine if these illegals in that container had the Ebola virus.... this would have been major problems for England. We must put an end to these illegals trying to gain access via illegal trafficking methods, especially now with this Ebola virus about. If one guy in that container had it, he would have passed it on to the other 34 and if they had escaped before being caught, well....

Sorry, I don't know how to link a news story, but maybe somebody here could find it through Google and post it here.
Type: "Nigerian immigrant, hoping to get to America, landed in Uruguay instead".
Apparently this guy paid $400 to a ship to take him to America from his country, but was instead dumped at a port in southern Brazil; then he crossed a river into Uruguay, when he thought he was in the States.
....Whaah???

I find this news alarming. This 39 year old Nigerian could have been infected with the Ebola virus and was trying to 'escape'. Or was he set up to do this and to spread the virus through S. America?
Please look into this, guys.

a reply to: fleabit

As I said, airborne transmission is inefficient. As the study clarifies, we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact but similar transmission did not occur between monkeys.

There is no doubt that lung cells can be infected, as this graphic shows.

I agree that there can be a fine line between creating panic and sharing information - but disagree that outright denial and pandering is the way to go.

a reply to: [post=18294754]Starling[/pos

now we have these shysters touting cures from salt water and tumeric..2 men died.....there is no cure

www.nydailynews.com...


and ...ebola clinic looted Text Red residents raided a quarantine center for suspected patients and took items including bloody sheets and mattresses.


link ^ abcnews.go.com...

this is history's first (earth history), that such a deadly virus is transferred to other continent so extensively by transportation.

without technology this epidemic had no chance.
it is technology that might do us in

MONROVIA, Liberia (AP) — Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital's largest slum after residents raided a quarantine center for suspected patients and took items including bloody sheets and mattresses.

The violence in the West Point slum occurred late Saturday and was led by residents angry that patients were brought to the holding center from other parts of Monrovia, Tolbert Nyenswah, assistant health minister, said Sunday.

Up to 30 patients were staying at the center and many of them fled at the time of the raid, said Nyenswah. Once they are located they will be transferred to the Ebola center at Monrovia's largest hospital, he said.

ONCE THEY ARE LOCATED. Which means they could be anywhere and they could have passed it on to others.

every sick person should isolate himself in his own house and people should not visit him for 20 days. how hard is that.
moving patients to isolation units will spread the disease even further.
what those countries will lose if they isolated themselves for one month or two closing all human traffic in or outside the countries.

really the solution is very easy costless and viable.
but nobody is doing it because air travel companies dont want to lose money. that is why
greed and technology is doing us in

a reply to: Starbucks

Actually a lot of Airlines have stopped flying to the infected areas and the 3 main Country's have been cordoned off (no going in or out except for the doctors/Nurses).

Nigeria on the other hand still has its borders open but it is early days there.

However this doesn't mean it hasn't spread to other Country's already.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Starbucks

Actually a lot of Airlines have stopped flying to the infected areas and the 3 main Country's have been cordoned off (no going in or out except for the doctors/Nurses).

Nigeria on the other hand still has its borders open but it is early days there.

However this doesn't mean it hasn't spread to other Country's already.

but this should have been done a month ago.
and you must be talking about cordoning off the jungle area between the three countries not cordoning the three countries.

a reply to: Starbucks

Well, not sure but I read that a Triangled Area has been implemented for those three Country's. You are probably right, just the jungle part.