LOVE is the biggest deception:

reply to post by jonnywhite


Jonny, Know what I think? You're a good person who is trying to make sense of a crazy world that is all based on natural law.

And hey Jonny? As much as we all want that law to be kind, and not cruel, it is the way of this world, and more so the way of this Universe. I too wish that was not the case, but believe me that is the reality of our existence here my friend. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation

Before modern medical technology, probably 50% of children died by the age of 5, maybe more. Death back then for the very young was common. Is that natural law? If so then we made a difference, no? Did we improve on natural law?

If love is just a hormone or instinct or chemical then yes it's a deception because it's not supernatural, like some believe. It's like believing you shouldn't walk under a black cat. It's ignorance and ignorance can kill. The universe doesn't care what you believe. It only does what it does and you ignore at your own peril.

Idk. Something about the universe being just a lot of rules and processes makes me tired. Like having to read a long cryptic book about something obscure. It's like being an old or tired man, knowing you're falling behind. If you fall far enough behind, the Langoliers get you. They eat anything that falls behind.

Concerning LOVE, the best thing is to ask the transcendental world for clarification.
Here below is their answer. Please listen carefully:

".......
Can the concept of Love be explained?

The concept or abstraction that human thought tries to express by the word “love” is, in itself, indefinable. The forms of expression of earthly languages are only approximations that convey the meaning more or less adequately.

In relation to thought and will, the concept of love is the nerve fiber of the Light.

Thought and will are the highest concentration of Light, but love is the essence of Light—a power that penetrates and infuses thought and will. One can therefore say that love is an almighty or all-conquering power, and this power finds its ultimate, sublime expression in God’s paternal love, because the life nerve of the Light issues from Him and through numerous filaments extends to all His created beings. Thus, the essence of love, eternally flowing from God, the Father, will in time penetrate and infuse all His children. The more the spiritual ego advances toward God, the greater the ego’s fullness of love and the easier for that individual, by nature and in action, to display and to exercise love.

In this way, through the life-nerve of the Light, God is connected with all His created beings, and by His love, flowing through them all, He attracts His children toward the Paternal Home, to life eternal. Even into the most deeply fallen spirits does the nerve of life extend its filaments, and in due time love, in one of its many forms, will manifest itself and infuse the ego despite inner or outer resistance. And once all resistance is overcome, God has won back His child.

Love is the ideal for human perfection.

Love is the weft of human life.

Love is the prism of the heart.

Love is the mainspring in the work of the Youngest for humanity.

Love is the bond between the male and the female dual.

Love is the energy of life.

Love is the source of life in God.
......."

Cheers

reply to post by Thurisaz


Although I believe "Love" in its purest form is what the world needs, many people use it as a means of control and manipulation, hence the delusion of the word "Love".

I think the OP is making some interesting and valid points.

"Love" or the word love has become subjective, on so many levels.


Peace,

RT

Realtruth
reply to post by Thurisaz

 

"Love" or the word love has become subjective, on so many levels.

Yes the use of the word Love maybe due to lost understanding/feeling of love.
Here in some it is being used in place of words( as pointers) to will to power, deception, attachment, manipulation and people who unconsciously replay the same dysfunctional relationship .

Love doesn't come with expectations. Relationships do, but love does not. Love is knowing who you are and being the best that you know how to be then taking that and sharing of yourself. It's about accepting others as they are. If that means you end a relationship then you end it while wishing the best for that person. To me love means;

not controlling someone else

not expecting them to meet our expectations, hoping they do but not expecting it

accepting people as they are, seeing the faults and the best parts of them and letting them own both of those

not judging others, until we have lived their life we do not know what we would do differently

being compassionate, other people's pain is no less than our own

understanding that other people's behavior and anger is not about us, we may be the center of our own universe but we are not the center of everyone else's

being kind and caring and giving encouragement to the people around us

letting other people be right, there are many ways to look at something just because we see something one way does not mean others much see it the same way

admitting when we are wrong, or could be wrong, no one knows it all

saying I am sorry when we hurt others by accident or on purpose

it's about not feeding negative behavior patterns and sometimes we must walk away

it's about being kind to each other souls, always and no matter what.

reply to post by SheopleNation


It was more like Hello There, SheopleNation!

Things are going.................................going! Sometimes I wonder why it stays the same most of the time. Decided to try my luck updating a bathroom, yet found Doom hiding under the concrete, upper floor joices and even the walls themselves!

Here I thought I could move a wall here, add a little class to a 5x5 bathroom and install a tub for Her feet to sink into. Until I uprooted my friend Doom! Found what some would call DIY projects unfinished or more like 1/2 the directions most follow. Explains why the shower upstairs bounces!

I could have taken the 1/2 and made it work although my Other self will not allow it! Just more time fixing the other 1/2 people left out in various projects. More time understanding what to fix, how to, and Why? Someone cut 3 floor joices in a 6ft span to install that shower to make room for a 2" pipe!

I hear you on the evil, although I've come to find out most actually create it themselves. I'm evil myself, most can claim this to be fact. Then others will also say I would gladly give them My Heart. Judgement and nothing more, a rating system somehow placed in out heads while growing up.

To actually Hate, you would have to really hate yourself first. Although it's more like seeing a reflection of yourself you see in others that only you hate about yourself and not that actual person.

Thanks for the Blessings! Back At You!

Peace

reply to post by jonnywhite


There you go daydreaming!

We all do! Would it be nice if this or that would happen. Nothing happens while daydreaming but taking a step back from it all. Now see if your on Auto Pilot, try this:

How many times a day do you daydream? Are you doing what you can all day or just dreaming about it? Since nothing in the world will ever work daydreaming about it, just be doing what your doing that day.

It's okay to have a dream or two. Its when you Dream more then living live the way it is is where the problems start. Even when you give it 110%, or 37% as long as it Was your best for that day, you still might not achive a dream.

So What? Maybe God intended you to have all the sex and drugs amd Rock a person ever wanted! Or maybe down in the pits of hell for a time being! Learn to Enjoy everything no matter what and everything can be Fun!

Looking and finding are a waste of time. Sure its good to have goals, some plan/idea on where you would like to go. It never turns out that way! Something else controls the stage, moves and we move with it.

Most are trying NOT to move! Build your Own Boat and steer! A rock here, beach there, maybe even a shark! Get yourself wet and move! God, Love and Daydreams are nothing more then saying you do not want to move yourself. I want it to stay the same, Please?

Gotta Love Life!

Peace

reply to post by infoseeker26754


I do believe some people are born evil though my friend.

Anyway, Yeah I have been through that bathroom remodel nightmare myself, and I even remodeled bathrooms for a living at one time in my life before that. No matter what though, you always find some problems that you did not plan on finding, and yes you almost always have to fix someone else's screw up. Had they just done the work right the first time, but oh know.

When something was not done right, we would call the work Vegas. Which pretty much meant it was crooked or corrupt. What was really funny was messing with the new guys with no experience. I would send them out to my truck to grab the board stretcher. They would come back with this stupid look on their face, and I would spread my arms and say the long metal thing, come on hurry up!

LMAO! After about 20 minutes I would let them in on the joke that there was no such thing as a board stretcher. Dirt clods launched at the outhouse after about a minute of them starting to do their business was always a good laugh too. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation


Here I work at a lumber yard; now yet last 6 yrs was the night cook at a bar! Good at fixing #, even while I was 3. Just about done, although the frick'in tub flange on the top is my lesson.

Fixed most of what was needed, wall up even the ceiling and 1/2 of the wall's of greenboard. #! Even replumbed under the house, after beating the floor with a hammer!
Got the tub in, pretty nice and neat. Whats this cloth for? Really?

Ended up learning to do a mortar base with Youtube! Sweet! Mounted the tub, level by 90% so I'm Happy! Until I met my match, flange and 1/2 wall already rocked with mud! Now I have my more then 3/8 gap for tub flange and 4' to the rock already there! Concidered cutting through the tape and taking it off. No! I'm Creative!

Considered shimming the 4' and just use some molding around the top of the shimming and have a straight wall. Though about using J mold, 1/8 below the flange and seal it with silicone! It will be clean, nice and clear. Its only 1/4 of a gap.

Any Ideas?

Peace

infoseeker26754
Any Ideas?

Peace

Sorry, was eating dinner buddy. Well it's nice to discuss one's love for home projects, cause it is far from a deception, and that is very important for this discussion as well.

Oh my god, my nightmare was almost the same! Only I had torn out some old fiberglass (very rare these days) shower that looked like something that you would find in an old folks home, where the drain was lower than normal, which made the plumbing underneath lower too. So I had to cut and re-run the copper piping up, which was a nightmare in itself cause this was upstairs.

I had another nightmare when I put in the cultured marble, my fixture cuts were off by 1/8 of an inch, and I could not figure out why. Make sure all the nails or screws are flush as well. Done now, Which leads me to this below for you my friend......

Um, no I would not suggest any ideas, and only because I would not want to add any headaches to your situation without viewing the job and taking measurements myself because I am very anal about my measurements. So here it is....Old tape measures are sometimes off by 1/8 of an inch because of the metal lip stretching, or the tape itself cracking and tearing. True story!

I do have just one bit of advice for you though, Use Silicone like you said instead of caulking, It's much more flexible for the movement of the pan or tub, and it last so much longer. I like your style infoseeker, Good luck bro. ~$heopleNation

SheopleNation
reply to post by infoseeker26754

 

I do believe some people are born evil though my friend.

eswalls.com...

Are you sure? Haha

reply to post by SheopleNation


Yes. Understanding Love would mean one could never really truely understand it, just live it! One of the biggest problems in the world; Trying to Understand! I Loved my bathroom idea, seen it in my head! Yet I now Hate the evil room! Could just stop and actually Pay another to finish my DIY project, only would lose the Love I had in the first place. So I had to call a Time Out!

Well, more like waiting for New Hoses for the tub! My steady hand and drill missed it by 1/32 making Love to them darn hoses. I do understand the off by 1/8 although would have been nice to have a temp plate to follow. No! Waste more time adding various Lang's then what is really needed! Flex would be the issue so have decided using silicone and filling up the tub with water first. Of course have to fill it 3/4 since her feet are really big lol!

Really do Thank You for the info! Love is never the deception, it exist; maybe. Although what is taught, learned, and even studied is where the Deception starts. It is the same with all things, be it good or bad. Explains the idea of doing a good thing and it ends up coming out wrong.

Peace

reply to post by infoseeker26754


I have found that love for one's child is the ultimate form of true love, that is just my opinion though.

Ok my friend, Good luck with your future projects, it was nice chatting with you. See yuh around ATS. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by Thurisaz


When one is deceived, one does not realise that they are falling into a trap - simply, they did not understand what the trojan horse was, and as such, you are drawing a parallell to "love" - a concept that very few understand.

If this makes you feel any better, those whom do understand love, well, can't fall in love.

Although, those sort of people are practically porn stars...

SystemResistor
reply to post by Thurisaz

 

If this makes you feel any better, those whom do understand love, well, can't fall in love

edit on 4-4-2014 by SystemResistor because: (no reason given)

That's a case of action and understanding being different! Everyone gets mixed up since we're taught to love people in a certain way.

Love is no related with particular country and religion,but hate could related with particular religion.
Religious war,etc.

No doubt Love is not all their is, or is needed throughout this world or anywhere else.

Hate is not all that is without love, either.

Everything is not Ying and Yang, Left and Right, Up Down, Black and White, Negative and Positive, etc etc etc.

However everywhere we look in this world this theme, these MANTRA'S are beaten into us at every turn.

I can see a great deal that is hidden behind this brainwashed archetypal thinking, and it seems that NOONE else even has the option to think other than through these thought processes.

Even more hilarious are the philosophies of meditation and "Balance"...

As long as things are maintained and balanced inside of a paradigm it is no wonder no one can see outside of the box.

Pure energy cannot be balanced, because it is all one thing.

I guarantee babies are not full of love, but are full of all kinds of emotions, and confusion...funny how most of you think the opposite.

Try looking at things without all the constant barrage of EITHER OR, PLUS OR MINUS,, for the sake of all.

reply to post by ScottProphhit

"Fear is the opposite of love, but it is love"( can't quote while on mobile)
Actually, indifference is the opposite of love.

reply to post by Thurisaz


I watched the Captain America movie the other night and found this quote by Nick Fury to be thought provoking: "My father loved all people, but that doesn't mean he trusted them.."