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Harte
game over man
reply to post by Ectoplasm8
Are you 100% sure you have proof the Egyptians documented how they built the Great Pyramids of Giza?
He didn't claim that.
What you just did is the equivalent of me saying to you "Are you sure that the UFO you captured in your backyard and keep in your garage is not a rabbit?"
What was shown, and quite well known, was typical Egyptian construction techniques. These techniques are completely capable of resulting in the construction of the Great Pyramid.
If you flip a coin, there's simply no way for me to really know the result of your coin flip - even if you tell me - unless I witness it myself.
That said, I do know that you got either heads or tails.
Harte
game over man
reply to post by conundrummer
Well I'm scared of being bullied by the know it alls, so yes it's required.
game over man
reply to post by Harte
What?
That doesn't make sense.
I believe an observer plays an important role for existence. You don't. Cool.
game over man
reply to post by Harte
What?
That doesn't make sense.
I believe an observer plays an important role for existence. You don't. Cool.
game over man
reply to post by uncommitted
Yes great point and great question. However in that question we know the tree falls and when trees fall they make a noise.
Things we can't observe like the future or prior to the big bang is where the mystery lies.
If x falls in the woods does it make a noise? Well we have never observed x before so we don't know what it is or anything about it.
We just observed an asteroid with a ring around it, until then we didn't know it existed.
You have to observe things in order for them to exist.
Right now, we have never observed alien life, so for now, we're alone in the universe.
game over man
reply to post by Box of Rain
You answered your own question. Research observation.
I'm sure there are good threads on ATS about the subject.
It's really thought provoking.
game over man
We just observed an asteroid with a ring around it, until then we didn't know it existed.
You have to observe things in order for them to exist.
game over man
reply to post by Box of Rain
If humans did not exist in our universe, and this conversation didn't exist, why would anything you are talking about matter?
Do you think I'm suggesting things magically appear into existence when we observe them for the first time?
game over man
reply to post by Box of Rain
We only know the universe operates this way because we observed it!
2nd
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reply to post by uncommitted
How do you know something exists without observation? You cannot predict the future! There's no argument here folks...
Edit: who will win the NBA championship this year? Please provide all the statistics of the game, the commentary, and where everyone is sitting, wearing to the game, and the expressions on their face, etc...edit on 4-4-2014 by game over man because: (no reason given)
uncommitted
game over man
reply to post by uncommitted
How do you know something exists without observation? You cannot predict the future! There's no argument here folks...
Edit: who will win the NBA championship this year? Please provide all the statistics of the game, the commentary, and where everyone is sitting, wearing to the game, and the expressions on their face, etc...edit on 4-4-2014 by game over man because: (no reason given)
It's not predicting the future though, that's the thing. For the NBA I have no idea, I'm British and don't follow. In our Football Premier League, I can make assumptions as to who is most likely to, but then I could be surprised. That level of assumption is something that I am comfortable with, you are going a little further into specifics which is with respect pointless unless you wish to do so as an exercise in imagination.
Box of Rain
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reply to post by Box of Rain
We only know the universe operates this way because we observed it!
2nd
I don't think the alien on the other side of the universe cares if humans observe the universe.
We have virtually[*] no affect that alien's day-to-day existence. I don't think an unknown asteroid in the Kuyper Belt cares if humans suddenly discover it; that asteroid' was just doing its thing for 4.5 billion years before we discovered, and will continue to simply do its thing after we discover it. Its existence remains as unchanged by the human discovery as it would have been if humans did not discover it.
Existence is an absolute that is unrelated to human knowledge. Existence really doesn't have that much to do with humans. We are only a tiny, tiny, tiny (almost non-existent) part of existence in general.
* note: I say "virtually no affect" only because our presence obviously has a local affect, and that local affect that may have some infinitesimally small affect on something on the other side of the universe -- sort of like the "Butterfly Effect", but on an even much, much, much smaller scale).
edit on 4/4/2014 by Box of Rain because: (no reason given)
game over man
I'm enjoying the conversation Box of Rain, your name sounds great for a grunge band.
game over man
It is true things exist before we observe and interpret them. In our conversation we are using the term "aliens". Aliens might as well be an unknown variable.
Some people think they will look like us, some think they will at least be anatomically structured like humans, and some people think they could look like nothing we have ever imagined.
Finally some people are convinced we will never know.
game over man
uncommitted
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reply to post by uncommitted
How do you know something exists without observation? You cannot predict the future! There's no argument here folks...
Edit: who will win the NBA championship this year? Please provide all the statistics of the game, the commentary, and where everyone is sitting, wearing to the game, and the expressions on their face, etc...edit on 4-4-2014 by game over man because: (no reason given)
It's not predicting the future though, that's the thing. For the NBA I have no idea, I'm British and don't follow. In our Football Premier League, I can make assumptions as to who is most likely to, but then I could be surprised. That level of assumption is something that I am comfortable with, you are going a little further into specifics which is with respect pointless unless you wish to do so as an exercise in imagination.
So your assumptions about the EPL championships can the same be said about alien life? The same type of pondering about future events, i.e. what is most likely the outcome?
game over man
How can you imagine the unimaginable? You can't.
We can't imagine what aliens could be like.
But we can guess.