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game over man
reply to post by Chamberf=6
Also your post is generalizing the word skeptic in general.
This thread is about skepticism specifically towards aliens and UFOs.
Read carefully before you bash me. Another point I mentioned earlier.
Example:
If people are skeptical of finding life on Mars, they rather cancel the mission, and not look. "Why not help people on earth" etc...or some other argument along those lines.edit on 1-4-2014 by game over man because: (no reason given)
If people are skeptical of finding life on Mars, they rather cancel the mission, and not look. "Why not help people on earth" etc
I ask the question because I find it astonishing so many people don't want to look. What caused you to give up the search?
Do you want to be alone? Do you limit your alien research to ufology? Do you limit it to pictures of Mars? Do you limit it to fraudulent claims or hoaxes? Do you limit your beliefs because of SETI?
Do you limit your belief because you are out of touch with modern science?
Do you feel comfortable with your skeptical belief because of the size of the Universe? It's too big to search?
Have you seen enough evidence to discount alien life in our solar system?
I don't participate in threads that don't fit my liking. Why do you?
The irony of you being skeptical about alien/UFO skeptics on ATS, generalizing their behavior, "they never do this..." with a bunch of stars is hilarious.
game over man
I am stunned the vast majority of participants in my thread do not understand the question, and how existential of a question it is.
I don't participate in threads that don't fit my liking. Why do you?
Soylent Green Is People
game over man
I am stunned the vast majority of participants in my thread do not understand the question, and how existential of a question it is.
I don't participate in threads that don't fit my liking. Why do you?
You don't seem to understand the existential point I'm making about good, proper, and healthy skepticism.
For the most part, a good skeptic is one who doesn't let what they may believe dictate to them what they think they know to be the truth. That step from belief to knowing is where the skeptic treads very carefully.
Knowing and believing are two different things. Personally, I can "believe" a lot of things for a lot of reasons, but I need harder evidence before I can say I "know" something to be true. For example, I BELIEVE that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe; However, I don't necessarily KNOW that it is true that intelligent life exists elsewhere.
I have enough reasons to believe life elsewhere may be true, but there may not be enough hard evidence (yet) to claim this it IS true. Besides, what I believe is not relevant when it comes to something being "true or not true".
I mean, why should my personal beliefs dictate what is true or not true? That would be very arrogant of me to think my beliefs matter that much. My beliefs could be wrong, unless I get some hard evidence telling me that those beliefs are true.
edit on 4/1/2014 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)
Chamberf=6
game over man
reply to post by Chamberf=6
Also your post is generalizing the word skeptic in general.
This thread is about skepticism specifically towards aliens and UFOs.
Read carefully before you bash me. Another point I mentioned earlier.
Example:
If people are skeptical of finding life on Mars, they rather cancel the mission, and not look. "Why not help people on earth" etc...or some other argument along those lines.edit on 1-4-2014 by game over man because: (no reason given)
So "skepticism" is different for different topics?
Some skeptics can be rather closed minded on some topics, but that can certainly be said for "believers" as well.
Some, not all.
Proof is often a required by a skeptic, and rightly so.
If people are skeptical of finding life on Mars, they rather cancel the mission, and not look. "Why not help people on earth" etc
Is this a belief of yours, a generalization you hold of skeptics, or...? Skeptics like many other camps DO help people look.
I have responded to your OP a few times, but to reiterate:
I ask the question because I find it astonishing so many people don't want to look. What caused you to give up the search?
What, besides your apparent assumptions gives you the idea that anyone "gave up the search"?
Do you want to be alone? Do you limit your alien research to ufology? Do you limit it to pictures of Mars? Do you limit it to fraudulent claims or hoaxes? Do you limit your beliefs because of SETI?
1. I'd imagine some people do, although living on a world of extremophiles makes that less likely.
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No, of course not. It is an ongoing active search.
Do you limit your belief because you are out of touch with modern science?
What?? Modern science has provided many tools with which to search for proof as opposed to believing every youtube vid or personal hearsay account.
Do you feel comfortable with your skeptical belief because of the size of the Universe? It's too big to search?
See above.
Have you seen enough evidence to discount alien life in our solar system?
No. Nor has there been enough (any) proof there is. That does not mean there isn't, the proof of it just (if it's there) hasn't been found. Also have you moved to just the solar system instead of the universe, are you using the terms interchangeably, or is that a mistake?
You seem to have missed -- intentionally or not -- my comment about how since you're fond of over-generalization what if I did the same too? With tables turned does that seem fair and accurate to you?
There is a worldwide effort and collaboration to help SETI by people of all types, for ex.
The rest of your posts of indignation towards me suggest IMO a lack of either understanding or a purposeful lack just to continue your lost cause straw man argument.
I don't participate in threads that don't fit my liking. Why do you?
You asked the questions in the OP. People are trying to answer and respond to you whether you care to realize that or not.
The irony of you being skeptical about alien/UFO skeptics on ATS, generalizing their behavior, "they never do this..." with a bunch of stars is hilarious.
?? I'm skeptical of skeptics?
"They never do this..." ****Can you tell me where I said that in that post you responded to 3 or 4 times?edit on 4/1/2014 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)
Ok...I don't know why you think we are on different pages on the subject...
This is not a discussion about Mars rocks, moon hoaxes, or fake YouTube videos.
Yours and everyone's thoughts on aliens, not ufology.
game over man
reply to post by Chamberf=6
I don't really understand your posting in this thread other than defending skepticism.
game over man
I don't participate in threads that don't fit my liking. Why do you?
Are you suggesting the "we're alone in the universe and we will not make contact crowd" is shrinking? Because I think lots of people still think we will never make contact because the current technology has yielded zero results...people might give the search for extremophile a better chance, but a slim one at that because we haven't found anything.
Extreme Skepticism towards:
1. Exoplanet search finding life
2. Technological signal detected
3. Aliens visiting earth
There are good skeptical arguments debunking those above 3 points with an answer of never will happen.
So if you have a yes it might happen, then great!
If you don't, then maybe you want to be alone in the universe.
This is why I ask maybe you prefer to be the only life in the Universe.
So if you have a yes it might happen, then great!
If you don't, then maybe you want to be alone in the universe
Are you 100% sure you have proof the Egyptians documented how they built the Great Pyramids of Giza?
Outside of AA theory it is still a mystery...Why would it be a debate still if there is written proof by the Egyptians? Are you sure the hieroglyphics you posted are depicting the construction?
game over man
Harte
game over man
reply to post by Chamberf=6
You are completely unaware or new to ATS.
D'Oh!
Check his join date! LOL
The guy you criticize here has over the years shown more brains in a single hair follicle than you have in your entire family tree.
The problem, it seems to me, is that you think "research" means reading what wild-eyed fringe writers have to say about a thing.
Harte
I WANT AN ANSWER.
JERK.
Are you 100% sure you have proof the Egyptians documented how they built the Great Pyramids of Giza?
Outside of AA theory it is still a mystery...Why would it be a debate still if there is written proof by the Egyptians? Are you sure the hieroglyphics you posted are depicting the construction?
A lot of times hardcore skeptics have an attitude of self entitlement, where they don't need to do the research and the believers are the ones looking into things.
If no one observed the Universe, the Universe wouldn't exist.
Do you limit your belief because you are out of touch with modern science?
Do you feel comfortable with your skeptical belief because of the size of the Universe? It's too big to search?
Have you seen enough evidence to discount alien life in our solar system?
I'd just like to point out that people shouldn't be so skeptical of faster than light travel. Quantum teleportation is already working on this, and space travels faster than light, i.e. big bang theory.
amazing
We know that true believers will believe in Alien visitation without looking at the evidence or even considering it.
We also know that true Skeptics will believe there is no Alien Visitation without looking at the evidence or even considering it.
LOL
Big problem here on both sides.
Harte
And this:
"If no one observed the Universe, the Universe wouldn't exist."
All of the above display the depth of your ignorance, and a couple display your reluctance to check a fact before you proclaim it as true.
Harte