Police video of killing an illegal camper.

reply to post by Cuervo

The types of cops in the video make people afraid. When people are afraid, they get dangerous. If the citizens get pushed too far, they'll start shooting back and doing so with less and less provocation. Eventually, good cops are going to start getting shot just for approaching a scared civilian.

I think you've managed to voice my primary concern in these things better than I have.

The more people are treated a certain way, the more they will come to be that way or fulfill expectations.

This reminds of that other video not that long ago where the kid was shot on a city bus by a cop outside of it, and was mentally ill with a knife. As I seem to recall, that one turned out badly for the cop who pulled the trigger, tho I could be wrong.

reply to post by 727Sky


Here a link to liveleak,com with a better video and it shows what happened after the youtube video stopped.

After he was on the ground the officers shot him three times in the back with bean bags and sent the
dog to attack even after he didn't move.

But he did have two small knives one in each hand,looked about 7 cm in size.

reply to post by Domo1

Given his history and the fact that he was threatening officers and then pulled out two knives I can kinda see why they shot him. They chucked a flashbang, shot him with bean bags and apparently a tazer, and he went for the K9 officer.

Except the EVIDENCE does not support any of that. The EVIDENCE supports murder for no good reason.

Just in case that a ATS Member(s) tell me that I'm to swift on the right to live and the force of LEO's wasn't that abrupt....

Don't come here and explain a personal experience or share stories of a mother or father picking up their child at school and being shot to death, because of a ex, jealous friend or family member reporting lies to the authorities and no investigation.

This being said the LEO's on this video had many chances of dealing with this in a humane way.

They should be punished to the full extent IMO. They had no right act the way they did.

Anyone to argue me has no experie.... I'm very upset to see this vid...

Sick, gross.

reply to post by 727Sky


Ill post what I posted in another "Hey guess what, cops are trigger-happy, idiots" thread:

six67seven
For those that think this result would somehow keep other cops from repeating this type of irresponsible action --- yeah, keep dreaming. If that was the case, then we would be seeing a decline in police using brutality. We arent seeing a decline so why would anyone believe the decline will start due to this result. Cops have tunnel-vision. They act first and expect their corrupt department to cover their asses in the aftermath. They arent smart enough (see IQ requirements) to learn from others' mistakes. The word "animals" comes to mind.

Sure, there are some good cops out there. Yada yada yada.

There are good bankers out there too.

There are good bankers out there too. But you don't see anyone sticking up for them. Ya know why... cuz there are no (relatively speaking) bankers on ATS. The position of 'banker' is "above" most of us, you need to know someone to become a banker or work your butt off, or be "in the family". But a cop - hell, any idiot can become a cop, they're a dime a dozen. Therefore you see some on ATS sticking up for cops, because they are cops and guess what.... they stick up for each other, 99% of the time.

Those three cops fired a total of 8 shots - intent to kill, not disarm... thats for sure.

But keep telling yourselves that cops are "learning" from these situations. Keep telling yourselves that cops are "mostly good". Keep waiting for them to act with civility, compassion and common sense... ya, keep holding your breath. Good luck with that!

Horrible cops (or any hired gun) = a dime a dozen.

They are militarized, they are ruthless, they want to inflict plenty of pain, they are part of the problem.

reply to post by 727Sky


life in the US has become a game of Call of Duty. don't ever get caught unarmed by the enemy. if you do, it's your own fault if you get killed. a knife is totally inadequate. your enemy will have a gun. when engaged by the enemy, shoot first (preferably immediately), repeatedly, and to kill. this is the game being played by your enemy whether you're participating or not. play it, or die.

Helious
reply to post by Domo1

 

Given his history and the fact that he was threatening officers and then pulled out two knives I can kinda see why they shot him. They chucked a flashbang, shot him with bean bags and apparently a tazer, and he went for the K9 officer.

Except the EVIDENCE does not support any of that. The EVIDENCE supports murder for no good reason.

How so? They clearly deployed a bean bag gun. That's the neon looking thing. They clearly hucked a flashbang. The guy clearly pulls something out and is brandishing it. The guy clearly says something about how if they were outside a bar he would have the right to kill the cops at the beginning of the video.

I am speechless.
Why are those guys not in a jail cell (as I type this) awaiting trial for murder?
Humans...what a freakin' failing species we turned out to be.

-Peace-

reply to post by Domo1


They deployed a lot of things and then rushed him. For what reason? They shot him because of proximity concerns which they created. Flash bang, bean bag, rush, lethal. Is that the way you would do it with multiple armed officers against an indigent man with a knife 50 feet away?

It was a murder. It was unlawful, unsubstantiated and looks like a video straight out of Iraq or Afghanistan. It's disgusting and an affront to every rational thinking American citizen. Shocking.

Domo1

Helious
reply to post by Domo1

 

Given his history and the fact that he was threatening officers and then pulled out two knives I can kinda see why they shot him. They chucked a flashbang, shot him with bean bags and apparently a tazer, and he went for the K9 officer.

Except the EVIDENCE does not support any of that. The EVIDENCE supports murder for no good reason.

How so? They clearly deployed a bean bag gun. That's the neon looking thing. They clearly hucked a flashbang. The guy clearly pulls something out and is brandishing it. The guy clearly says something about how if they were outside a bar he would have the right to kill the cops at the beginning of the video.

They deployed bean bag after they shot him lol, watch the live leaks video.
They guy was turning around, he never made a move at the cops lol they shot a man in his back

And they bean bagged him, sent the dog on him and made sure that some one "stomp that right hand real hard" as he lay there

reply to post by 727Sky


Why are so many people upset at this? They still don't don't write to their representatives or vote against things that make this possible. Why do people only get angry when they're faced with the realities of their decisions or indecision? This is happening everyday whether its recorded or not. Some people calling this murder are the same ones asking for strengthened border patrol. There are no lines anymore...Corporations have made any borders you believed existed completely obsolete. The future isn't coming - it' here.

reply to post by 727Sky


No problem. I'm curious to find out who released the video. You'd think they'd try and keep that under wraps. Well, at least until they got their stories straight.

reply to post by Helious


Remember we are missing 3+ hours of video. They had to make initial contact, and when the guy started ranting and raving about wanting to kill them and claiming to work for the DoD they weren't going to be able to talk to him without being close in those conditions.

Yeah they were close. Yeah I personally would have done things differently. I don't like that a man is dead. As I said in my first post to this thread, I don't mind my tax dollars paying overtime if it means a better ending to this story.

After ranting about how he would have a right to kill the cops if they were outside a bar, and gathering his stuff the cops were probably aware he had two knives, and given his history decided it would be safer to escort him in handcuffs. I have no idea how far the cops stayed away until the guy got to the point where he was agreeing to walk down with them. For all we know it could have been 100 yards. Then he agreed and we see these events unfold.

If I had been in charge I don't know what I would have done. At the point he agreed to walk down I suppose I would insist he strip down to his undies and be handcuffed or else continue the little standoff. I think the cops were to hasty. They shouldn't have gotten that close unless they were certain he was unarmed, and far enough away from his stuff that they could snatch him up in time. I do think they made the right move by lobbing the flashbang and bean bagging him and sending in the dog, but I only think that was the right move after they made the mistake of trusting him in the slightest.

I don't like what happened at all. I fully agree there could have been a better outcome, I'm just not sure which steps should have been taken to make that happen. I really feel for people like this guy. They never asked to battle against all these mental issues. They deserve the same respect anyone else receives. The whole thing just sucks.

People who defend the line of action taken by the 'law enforcement', or whatever you want to call these killers in this video, I say to you: you need you friggin head's examined.

This is murder.

This happens all the time in "the land of the free" and it's nobody's fault but your own. If you think it's tolerable for gangs of heavily armed cops to gun down a man armed with a knife then you are screwed in the head beyond belief.

Even though this is not the Survival Forum here's my 2¢: If you allow the enemy to close with you, if you are outnumbered, if they are better armed ... give up.

This might have had a different tactical outcome at 600 yards.

lovebeck
reply to post by 727Sky

 

No problem. I'm curious to find out who released the video. You'd think they'd try and keep that under wraps. Well, at least until they got their stories straight.

The police department released the video.

You AUTHORED this thread. How do you not know that?

I'm leaving my dumbass response. I get all reply jumbled but I'm not going to edit just because I make an ass of myself. I only edit to make MORE of an ass of myself or for clarification/egregious spalling mystics.

reply to post by Snarl


Your theory only works if you're dealing with police from most countries outside of the US. Every week there's videos of American cops killing people on here, it's like some kind of sick sport. Yeah like some guy illegally camping needs to be shot to death, these people are worse than the gestapo, and the most horrible and depressing thing about it is that there are US citizens who will say "yeah well don't f**k with the cops". America is f**ked.

reply to post by Domo1


There was no bean bag until after they shot the man.
And if there was a taser deployed it was deployed at the same time as the shots.
He turns, shots go off, he goes stiff and falls. Him going stiff may be a taser, but it seems more to match up with him getting shot
Then while he is on the ground mr bean bag comes it and hits him three times, then the dog gets sent on him... then they break his fingers coming up to him.

reply to post by seabhac-rua

America is f**ked.

It's not so bad ... until some flake calls the cops. Not so bad ... until the cops decide they're 'taking action' on a warrantless call.

Ever notice the cops don't take action until they have an overwhelming tactical advantage? Do you know what HanzHenry would call that? LOL

Did a quick read of the previous posts. It seems that everyone here missed one the most disturbing things on the entire video.

Right after the cop with the helmet camera shoots the guy and right before you hear him say "moving up"

Booyah!
Now let look at the definition of that word.
An exclamatory statement, often said when someone is extremely overjoyed. Often people do a hand movement simultaneously as they say 'Booyah'.

The scary part of the video is that the officer is happy with himself, perhaps even overjoyed....... He needs to have his weapon taken away as at the least he is a danger to society; At the most a cold blooded killer that gets joy from taking life.

THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF COPS WE NEED!