Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by rockflier

Thanks for the info...

It would be interesting to know if the O2 generators are one overall system flowing from a main stem, or if each mask is connected to it's own separate O2 generator.

Simply cutting a main stem would be much easier than hundreds of connections.

lacrimoniousfinale
Does anyone know what this is (bottom of Tomnod map image)?

I do but i can't talk about it!

watchesfromwall
reply to post by qd22vcc

 

From the mouth of the Chinese government, via a commentary, 3 unidentified sources reported that the craft headed westbound. They base this on military satellite data which indicates the plane was flying the normal corridors to the Middle East/Europe.

The commentary also mentions how "silent" the West is on the whole issue compared to their normal reactions, i.e., Lockerbie.

Actually, quite an interesting read, especially with their references to "deep throat", but consider the source:

news.xinhuanet.com...

So, does China really care or are they trying to deflect?

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China never cares about people even their own.
The West is silent because they can't believe China pulled it off and they're still trying to figure out how they did it which is quite simple really, throw red herrings everywhere including where it was exactly and make it appear they were concerned and helping but with contrary results, confusion. Chinese are wily, not to be trusted.

OatDelphi
reply to post by rockflier

 

Thanks for the info...

It would be interesting to know if the O2 generators are one overall system flowing from a main stem, or if each mask is connected to it's own separate O2 generator.

Simply cutting a main stem would be much easier than hundreds of connections.

Each bank of seats (row and side or middle) has a separate generator (at least in the 757/767). Not 100% positive about 777, but Boeing is reluctant to change.

reply to post by rockflier


You seem to have the most knowledge on this...I have been saying the plane was depressurized to kill the passenger quickly. With the ascent to 45k feet, would depressurizing kill the passengers quicker than at 35k or cruising altitude? This would explain the climb and even if pressure dropped within seconds would the passengers have the time through the panic to make use of the oxygen masks?

reply to post by Vasa Croe


The higher the altitude, the less useful time of consciousness. Altitude

Times of Useful Consciousness

10,000 ft. Hours

20,000 ft. 5 to 12 minutes

30,000 ft. 45 to 75 seconds

40,000 ft. 3 to 30 seconds

45,000 ft and above 12 to 15 seconds or less Smokers have shorter useful consciousness time—an altitude of 5000’ the symptoms and effects for a smoker are equivalent to those experience by a non-smoker at 10000’.
www.langleyflyingschool.com...

rockflier
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

The higher the altitude, the less useful time of consciousness. Altitude

Times of Useful Consciousness

10,000 ft. Hours

that is, of course, unless you're a Sherpa...

reply to post by reject


TRUE that!

rockflier
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

The higher the altitude, the less useful time of consciousness. Altitude

Times of Useful Consciousness

10,000 ft. Hours

20,000 ft. 5 to 12 minutes

30,000 ft. 45 to 75 seconds

40,000 ft. 3 to 30 seconds

45,000 ft and above 12 to 15 seconds or less Smokers have shorter useful consciousness time—an altitude of 5000’ the symptoms and effects for a smoker are equivalent to those experience by a non-smoker at 10000’.
www.langleyflyingschool.com...

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Well....that answers that in my mind. They took the plane to 45k feet, depressurized and had one of the hijackers in the cabin to take care of the passengers that may have reacted quick enough to get a mask on. I would not imagine many if any reacted quick enough to do so before unconsciousness.

Funny...CNN is talking about conspiracy theorists now and how they have helped with ideas.

Another interesting point is that it is looking more likely the main pilot is involved. His last name is Shah...shah means " a former monarch of Iran"

Seems the Iranian connection is getting deeper.

qd22vcc
So Tomnod including land satellite...maybe to catch plane in flight?


Does this like like bottom of Vietnam?

Vitenam?

Not from comparing with Google Maps.
maps.google.com...

I'm intrigued, though. I've been combing over the Kazakh/Chinese border to get a feel for the terrain and possibly suitable landing areas, but now I'm tempted to scour the coastlines around Malaysia to see where this area you're looking at might be. I'll probably quit while I'm ahead and not give myself map burn-out, though.

reply to post by Nyiah


Heres updated link:

*to the right you can see more of the land..cant figure it out lol thought adaman islands but really cant pin point

Link

reply to post by seentoomuch


Just had a convo with two pilot friends and they agree with you: someone knows where, how, and why.

It's just not us at this point!

slip2break
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

...and the Inmarsat Ping detection did tell them distance from satellite, providing the data for the arch that was presented several pages back. Or was that just conjecture on the BBC's part as well and they never released the actual distance?

The satellite has given them the arc, so the greatest possible distance but where on that arc the plane is they don't know.

This whole thing is unfolding to be an elaborate plan of epic proportions. These terrorist have done their homework. They found and used the weak link in the chain and have made the most of it. If it's on the bottom of the ocean - we've done shot it down. If it's on land.... we likely know where but we have to play the game, which involves trickle down information because they are not about to blow intelligence assets for a couple hundred people.

How far will they let this go before someone gets publicly smacked is the big question.

I had to come back and revisit my post because the idea that we would shoot down a passenger plane is so asinine I can't believe I actually posted it. It could happen - yes, but would they do it if it didn't propose an immediate threat - nah.

I guess we could take comfort in one thing. If this plane was taken for a nefarious act, the Ides of March wasn't one of its statement points. We all know how they like their ritual things.

theabsolutetruth
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

I know they are, I meant sat comms. Perhaps you would like to look for all the typos on my posts too.

No offence intended I was just pointing out something that confused the facts.

If someone posted this already, apologies.
634 sites within range having landing strips on which the plane could have landed:


I neglected to note source when saving img, but it's surely searchable.


Upon closer look, it doesnt show the Kyrgyzstan-China border. Might not be relevant, then. Sorry! This is a large, quick-moving thread to follow

Just fly until the passenger oxygen is expended.

reply to post by roadgravel


it was posted a bit ago, but, okay you posted it again, your pic is bigger so easier to see!

reply to post by research100

After seeing the theories of disabling, etc, I figured go with the simplest way. Guess I missed where someone else went with keep it simple.