Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Nyiah


I was *just* reading that article Nyiah!

It's interesting to say the least, but, did he say this at court last week as in the week we just had, or the week before? And is this guy aware that a plane has gone missing or is he being held away from current news/affairs because of a trial? If not, then perhaps he's saying this, at this point in time, to further the cause by striking fear into hearts that they are still out there and still plotting against the world.

How would one go about hijacking a plane in this day and age? You would need to a) gain access to the cockpit b) have some sort of weapon on you to restrain the pilots, other airline staff and the other 200-odd people on board and c) have the expertise to fly (and land) a 777, avoiding detection for a week now. After 9/11 nobody is going to just sit back and let hijackers take control of a plane even if they tell you they're just planning on landing it somewhere to demand a ransom or whatever. You would think there would have at least been some sort of mayday call or one of the passengers would have phoned relatives etc if a 9/11 style hijacking took place.

That's why I think the plane was "deliberately diverted" by one or both pilots. The motive is up for speculation but IMO it's looking like a suicide OR something has occurred that has left the pilots in a state of confusion and they've made some extremely irrational decisions (hypoxia is my first guess).

reply to post by Ninipe


I think he wanted to try and ensure the plane was never found so nobody could say with 100% certainty what had happend. Maybe to spare the shame of his family or something.

reply to post by EnzoD


They didn't keep them from checking in with passports, registered stolen in the Interpol database. What security?

I'm curious how difficult it would be to build a runway for one landing and one take-off. I know John Travolta had a runway built for his 707.

What would it take - a few miles, some steel and lots of concrete?

If this plane is in Iran, what would the Iranian government benefit from this hijacking?

reply to post by EnzoD


ever try to use your phone at 30 000' no cellular carrier got this range

auroraaus

EDIT: By the way... I don't hold the pilot suicide thing as more likely, unless, of course it was suicide for other reasons. Even if he did suicide, there's the co-pilot who could take over. Am I correct that there's a 3rd sort of pilot in the cockpit too for these flights?

edit on 15-3-2014 by auroraaus because: Edit to add something I forgot to post. I have only drank half my first coffee of the day, forgiveness please.

Maybe the pilot or co-pilot committed suicide by climbing to an altitude where everyone lost consciousness, if the plane was still climbing they would not regain consciousness and crash at some point, an almost painless death? Obviously you would have to be in a very bad frame of mind to kill all those people with you.

There was just the pilot and co pilot, so one of them could have started to go off course or climb when the other one was on a break and out of the cockpit.

Of course this theory would be ruled out if they can prove the plane landed somewhere intact.

reject
seems like it really was the Uighurs after all...

I am with you on this theory. The Uighurs claimed responsibility but it was not heavily reported, nor did it appear to be taken seriously. Plus, I think it was the Uighurs that did that little mass killing (sans 2nd amendment ) in China. The Uighurs appear to be tied with numerous undesirables and are clearly miffed with and wishing to secede from China.

reply to post by Ninipe


Boarding with a false passport is a lot easier than smuggling a weapon on board.

I will say this though - a guy on another forum made this post:

About 8 years ago, so well after 9/11 where cockpit security was supposed to have beefed up, I flew Malaysia Airlines from London to Auckland via Kuala Lumpur and I was upstairs on a 747 right behind the cockpit door. Several times on each flight both ways, so that's 4 flights in all, the Captain or 1st Officer came back into the passenger area leaving the cockpit door open. They were socialising with people they knew for several minutes at a time, I could see the flight controls and the empty captains seat. It seemed very out of tune with general airline security and I thought at the time that I could run through and lock the captain out, knock the other officer out and take control of the plane. On one of the flights in particular they seemed to be deferring, very subserviently, to a VIP who was sitting up there across the aisle from me, maybe an airline official or a politician or something. If their practice is to 'entertain' dignitaries during flights maybe someone has noticed and taken advantage of a security lapse.

So it is possible that security is still not as good as it should be in some places.

reply to post by EnzoD


The real beefed up security was for flight in the USA or flying over other contry did not all take these freak paranostep like the USA did

For DrHammondStoat:

Hey dude, just going back from the start of this thread to see if there's anything that might have been lost in all this confusion. And I am on to my second coffee so I think there's some sort of cognitive function happening in my head, if not, once again forgiveness please. I found the following that could be of interest to you.

AlphaHawk (page 3)
And so begins the muddled reports by the MSM.

]China’s state news agency is reporting that the Malaysia Airlines aircraft has lost contact over Vietam while an unconfirmed report on a flight tracking website said the aircraft had plunged 200m and changed course shortly before all contact was lost.

www.perthnow.com.au... 860442

At least they say its unconfirmed.


Zaphod58 (page 4)
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According to the FlightAware tracking they had leveled off at 35,000, then there was nothing. That was from the transponder on the aircraft. There was no drop or any warning that showed up on the transponder, they were just gone.

So sudden high alt thingy (think I need more coffee), might not work in this case. According to Flightaware closer to the time. They would have to disable all the communications and then fly up (40k+ feet alt is still detectable on radar/military radar or military sats right??) to do the deed. That requires effort. If someone really wanted to die, and die for their cause, it would be far better to do it spectacularly and with as much destruction as one can muster.

Police investigating the backgrounds of all 239 people aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight are paying special attention to a 35-year-old Chinese Uighur Muslim man who undertook flight simulation training, according to a report in a leading Malay language newspaper in Kuala Lumpur.

allfiredupmedia.com...

Yes, it WAS the Uighur Muslims behind the latest deadly terrorist attack in China…but then, isn’t it always?

www.barenakedislam.com...



I think it's looking like passenger #84 and a bunch of his buddies are responsible for whatever happened to MH370.

EnzoD
How would one go about hijacking a plane in this day and age? You would need to a) gain access to the cockpit b) have some sort of weapon on you to restrain the pilots, other airline staff and the other 200-odd people on board and c) have the expertise to fly (and land) a 777, avoiding detection for a week now. After 9/11 nobody is going to just sit back and let hijackers take control of a plane even if they tell you they're just planning on landing it somewhere to demand a ransom or whatever. You would think there would have at least been some sort of mayday call or one of the passengers would have phoned relatives etc if a 9/11 style hijacking took place.

There are many ways to circumvent security or be inventive with items you can carry onboard...

Circumvent:
Go to the hanger where the plane is before departure and place something onboard then. Conceal it in a tissue box so that when the crew do thier pre flight security checks it doesn't look out of place. Or got to the catering company and place an item on a meal tray...These areas are not under the same security as the terminal...

It is possible to get anything onto a plane before the crew get on it.

Inventive:
A can of hair spray and a lighter,
(even those oxygen bottles might be used as a flammable)

A smashed glass bottle to the throat,
Heck even the steel knives used for meals
A wine bottle from the catering tray placed into a sock and swung around, try being hit with that and see how long you stay awake....

There are a lot of ways

kkrattiger
If someone posted this already, apologies.
634 sites within range having landing strips on which the plane could have landed:

I neglected to note source when saving img, but it's surely searchable.

edit on 15-3-2014 by kkrattiger because: Note on no source attribution

Upon closer look, it doesnt show the Kyrgyzstan-China border. Might not be relevant, then. Sorry! This is a large, quick-moving thread to follow

edit on 15-3-2014 by kkrattiger because: No kyrgyzstan

I am curious what the cargo manifest had on it. I dont buy terrorism as any element of surprise is long gone now and everyone would be looking for the out of ordinary 777 heading for a major city.

A well planned hijacking by criminal organizations to get something in the cargo hold would make sense. Hell you wouldnt even need anything more than a makeshift runway to get the plane down and get the cargo desired out. No need to ever takeoff with the plane again.

If the plane was hijacked it's been shot down (which we're not being told about) or the passengers fought back and the struggle with the hijackers caused the plane to crash into the sea.

I just don't buy the idea that the plane landed anywhere. That would require the co-operation of people on the ground, you'd have 250 hostages to deal with (again, why did none of them make a phone call?) and then what would you do with the most searched for plane in the world? It's just too complex to be realistic IMO.

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Thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with flight aware or what it does exactly! I will have to have a look at it. Also was there nothing after 35000 feet because the transponder was turned off? Then I suppose no-one knows if it crashed or not, except for those Satellite signals which put us right back to the plane flying on for over 5 hours. ... Except some sources suggest it's not clear whether the plane WAS still flying when that signal was received!

I'm sure we will hear something soon it's been a while since the last press conference.

EnzoD
If the plane was hijacked it's been shot down (which we're not being told about) or the passengers fought back and the struggle with the hijackers caused the plane to crash into the sea.

I just don't buy the idea that the plane landed anywhere. That would require the co-operation of people on the ground, you'd have 250 hostages to deal with (again, why did none of them make a phone call?) and then what would you do with the most searched for plane in the world? It's just too complex to be realistic IMO.

I agree, a hijack attempt could have ended in a crash, as could a suicide. The passengers phones could have been jammed but my biggest doubt over a hijack, is why no demands from those responsible?

Now focusing search on the South Indian ocean?? Moments ago they were focusing north after turning west now south???

rockflier

Idlewild294
This may or may not have been previously covered, but is it possible for the pilots to depressurize the cabin while disabling the passengers O2 system? In other words, the pilots can place their O2 masks on and simply allow the passengers to go unconscious and die. This could describe why no passengers made calls to their loved ones about being hijacked, and this would give the pilots full control.

Pax masks auto deploy at 13,500 feet cabin altitude. No override in cockpit. O2 is via oxygen generators, not piped from bottles like the pilots' masks.

Could breakers or anything have been sabotaged/removed prior to takeoff? There is an unlocked hatch in the passenger area that crews could access before passengers boarded and access sensitive areas of the plane, including many circuit breakers.