Has anyone been 'permanently abducted' or abducted for more than 2+weeks and returned?

This subject is so weird that it's hard not to be frank (if you don't know) and to the point. What's the point? The point is that there is no point! There is nothing to go on except peoples experiences and what "they believe" to be what's going on.

"Believe" is the key I think. I myself don't believe. I just don't know and want proof!! More science!! More proof!! repeatable proof!! A body would be good or a live capture of one of these abductors and then I'll be more open to the whole mess.

AliceBleachWhite

JackHill

WRONG. Not even close actually. Being misinformed about the TRUE abduction accounts isn't an excuse to post baseless conclusions.

Cute.
Regardless of how CAPS happy anyone wants to get, in making any claim, evidence is required to support it.

Here, we have someone claiming my position is "wrong", but, zero substance to support such assertion.
"Wrong"? because you say so?

Please provide something of value that can support your claim.

We like links, videos, and substance to support a position here.
"Because I say so" is worthless, and only demonstrates an unreasoned emotional response.

I tried to post a YT video of a family , 2 female adults and 2 children both male, but it would not post . They were abducted in day light , all from the same family . They live close to me , it was reported on MSM , you are correct on saying I cannot prove these claims. It comes down to belief and I believe these people .

adarma

AliceBleachWhite

JackHill

WRONG. Not even close actually. Being misinformed about the TRUE abduction accounts isn't an excuse to post baseless conclusions.

Cute.
Regardless of how CAPS happy anyone wants to get, in making any claim, evidence is required to support it.

Here, we have someone claiming my position is "wrong", but, zero substance to support such assertion.
"Wrong"? because you say so?

Please provide something of value that can support your claim.

We like links, videos, and substance to support a position here.
"Because I say so" is worthless, and only demonstrates an unreasoned emotional response.

I tried to post a YT video of a family , 2 female adults and 2 children both male, but it would not post . They were abducted in day light , all from the same family . They live close to me , it was reported on MSM , you are correct on saying I cannot prove these claims. It comes down to belief and I believe these people .

People believe all the time (Jim Jones Kool aid) I myself am very careful whom and what to believe.

StormyStars
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Hey! That is what I usually say lol! Minus the remote viewer part........

Haha, maybe you're unconsciously remote viewing?

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Sounded like you were placing all claimants in the same category.



And I'm not wrong am I? So why the act of innocent confusion?

Still waiting for you to come foreword yourself......

RUFFREADY

adarma

AliceBleachWhite

JackHill

WRONG. Not even close actually. Being misinformed about the TRUE abduction accounts isn't an excuse to post baseless conclusions.

Cute.
Regardless of how CAPS happy anyone wants to get, in making any claim, evidence is required to support it.

Here, we have someone claiming my position is "wrong", but, zero substance to support such assertion.
"Wrong"? because you say so?

Please provide something of value that can support your claim.

We like links, videos, and substance to support a position here.
"Because I say so" is worthless, and only demonstrates an unreasoned emotional response.

I tried to post a YT video of a family , 2 female adults and 2 children both male, but it would not post . They were abducted in day light , all from the same family . They live close to me , it was reported on MSM , you are correct on saying I cannot prove these claims. It comes down to belief and I believe these people .

People believe all the time (Jim Jones Kool aid) I myself am very careful whom and what to believe.

I believe from the heart , I know when people tell the truth . It is pure human arrogance to think we are alone in the many universes around us . It is even more arrogant to think we are not visited and samples take back to their respective Worlds for examination . If you cannot see the evidence , then you are blind , the Pyramids , Göbekli Tepe , to name but a few . All the evidence has shown for milliner that humans have been manipulated and guided by a superior intelligence . Off Worlder may be not , but for sure, the real truth has been hidden from us .

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I don't think were alone. I have no proof we are alone either. I just don't know.

I just ran up to CVS (drug store) to buy a few things and the guy at the counter said, (when I went to check out.. he always says hi) "I didn't even see you come in"!

I could have said, "I can make it so people can't see me", But I didn't I just said (stupid) I was in the Navy. lol!! He said, I almost joined the Marines..blah blah blah...

I should have said the invisible thing

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I met her in 1994.

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Abductees dying of aggressive cancers is part of the phenomenon. Dr. Turner's work pointed to Government involvement and MKUltra. Her husband and her son were also abducted. They did not have cancer, if memory serves from listening to a few of her lectures. She was being threatened for her work and would not stop researching and reporting, then she contracted cancer. Do you have some source for your statement that her cancer affected her mind during this time? Medical records?

Source

As I said, it's a leap of faith and a gut feeling based upon my observation. If nothing was going on, the world leaders would not be so tight-lipped and Classified about it.

Interesting how you liken other users to fairy tales when you disagree with them. I consider that to be way around the flaming rules.

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From your source:

Dr. Karla Turner died of cancer on January 10, 1996, after being threatened for her work. She was just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO investigation have also experienced threats followed by highly unusual cancers. Several of her case studies are now dead.

Okay, so, someone that claims abduction phenomenon, by aliens at that, also claiming threats dies of a cancer that, hmmmm, isn't unusual at all for people having these kinds of cancers to suffer delusions, hallucinations, and an entire gauntlet of interesting symptoms that cause fringe phenomenon adherents to drool ever so predictably like Pavlov's dogs.

Fact of the matter is, if someone is being abducted, well, hmmm, if they were such trouble, wouldn't it be easier to just keep them abducted? People that are disappeared can't talk or cause trouble.

Ah, but no, let's go through some complicated process to give someone cancer because they're a trouble maker?

Sorry. No. Any program that resolves issues like that is run by idiots and morons.

People that love the Karla Turner story in painting her a martyr can chicken and egg all day long, but, in reality, when it comes down to it, she had cancer, and she died of cancer.
What's the likelihood of some super secret shadowy phantom somebody giving her weaponized cancer, over the very simple, ugly, and sad reality that cancer does indeed happen?

Does this mean that everyone having space alien experiences has cancer?

No.

I thought I made it pretty clear that there are a wide variety of mundane, quite usual factors and means by which folks can get the impression they're having interactions with space aliens.

It's like getting wet.
You can get rained on, jump in a pool, get sprayed with a hose, have a bucket of water thrown, take a shower or bath, exercise to perspiration, roll around in the snow, get soaked by an automated fire suppression system in a building, hang around in a thick fog, sit in a sauna, enjoy a jacuzzi, get fired on by children with water guns ... to name a number of ways one can get wet.
If it's raining outside and you see someone soaking wet, are you going to conclude that they just got in a water gun fight with spooky magical beings that no one can prove exist, or, suspect that the obvious answer is probably the most likely?

With these space alien experiences, it's the same.
One can quite readily believe they're having space alien interactions because;
Sleep paralysis
Tumors
Schizotype
Drug interactions
Diabetes Insulin Delusion
Allergic Reaction
Fever
and any number of other mundane reasons, including 'spooky' mundane reasons like catch/release programs, none of which require any aliens.

Fairy tales?
Yes, some of the very same attributions that can be given credit for modern anecdotes about space alien contacts are the very same attributions that are most likely responsible for a great number of the bogeymen and fantasy creatures of ancient mythology, including fairies, elves, gnomes, whatever.
Yesterdays gods, devils, angels, and spirits are todays aliens.
How is that any kind of surprising?
We're not very much different than our ancestors, though, certain frames of reference have shifted which also shift the narrative and interpretation of "mysterious" experiences that baffle the common uneducated where magical explanations are almost always preferred.

The rational approach to any resolution of question is to start with the probable, likely, possible, mundane, usual, and altogether reasonable attributions.

One doesn't start at aliens explanation and stay with aliens until they find something they "like" better.

I'm not ridiculing anyone.
I am, however, making statement that these space alien interaction stories quite very likely have mundane explanations, and I'm also asking for any evidence that would indicate aliens.

What's so special about these experiences that they just need to, have to, absolutely must be, the responsibility of magical mystery creatures that no one can prove exists?

Mundane attributions are manifold sundry, and it's even a little conspicuous how these are quite often forcefully ignored.

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Sry. Felt choked. Haven't seen Dr. Karla Turner since February !4th !996. In Louisiana. I let her know that my final divorce certificate came that day.
She didn't look bad, or ill & didn't say so.
I didn't know she died
Us Science Professor types don't tend to keep up with many people very, though there are always exception, I'm not one of those. Sadly.
She still called me Baby Professor that day so she must have been lucid...
When did she pass on?

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You keep pushing rational explanations yet all I see is rationalizing to avoid critical thinking that may point you to an uncomfortable conclusion.

It appears you missed my first post but it wasn't a direct reply to you. Now approaching this rationally, using all your proposed reasons, you seem to believe it is more likely random people in random locations all somehow magically experoenced the same hallucination.

As I said some of what you provide can be used to explain more recent phenomenon only after we have a widely established and undrrstood typical abduction scenario. Yet to get the typically understood scenario there were many reports from many places with very similar accounts. Applying your thought process with many acounts of smaller, frailer beings that have larger than normal heads and eyes is much better to explain by some connection random people in random locations had a magical connection that made their minds hallucinate the same thing. Yet in a universe with infinite stars, infinite worlds, infinite possibilities for life people are somehow crazy for thinking in those infinite possobilities life could have developed far beyond our capabilities so they could travel the stars and find other life.

There is physical proof in the form of some objects implanted in some people. Some that cannot be explained by any know means. Unless they cut themselves open, sowed themselves up, and totally forgot during one of these magical hallucinations shared by many.

As I said only since the phenomenon has become widely known would anything you listed possibly be valid. With it known so well now people's subconscious could easily create a similar illusion.

Im sure we will learn this is the most recent version of beliefs like previous thinking we were the center of the universe and the sun rotated around yhe earth. We want so much to believe we are special. It is scary to think of a race that could do this to us as easily as we monitor and tag wild animals. That fear causes closemindedness but it is understandable to accept the least scary option as fact and ignore or ridicule anyone with contradictory opinions.

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lol! Actually, I believe just about anything is possible. I've done remote viewing with Steven Wagner 3 times, was fully accurate on 2 but left out a boat dock & small outhouse sized shed the dock extended from lol! Meh! it is fun to try.....