Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

reply to post by preludefanguy


You get poetic sometimes.. I like it...

one of the verbal centers, wenicke's area is affected
by a powerful pathway which is developed by the
'kundalini process'..

And for people who study kundalini.. the so-called
sushumna (the central channel) has a representation
in a region of the brain which develops.

This is actually a spiritual secret.. which is involved
with the liberation of humans from the control
system.. well one method anyway..

just putting this in there.. to indicate that the control
system is both atemporal, metaphysical and physical..

we humans have evolved under the weight of the symbiotic
trickster mind and it has left tracks all over us..

Kevin

QUOTE; KPB
" that whatever it is, the field is part of
and powered by our own primitive unconscious
impulses"

Your train of thought fit's your hypothesis , but I do not accept that the field is only a manifestation of humanities primitive unconscious.
I do agree that our PU can influence it.

I see it more as a separate alien-to-us intelligence.

Did it "arrive here"?
Did it co-evolve with humans?
Is it bleed-over from other dimensions?
Could it just be fragments of a energy wave left over from the Big Bang?

We don't know. Have we all seen it, recognized it? Those posting here I'd say yes. They have, each from their own perspective.
And I'd wager each person has poked it in their own way.

A collective of more than double blind mini-experiments that are truly random enough that the data, if cross referenced would paint an anecdotal over all pattern for us to begin determine if indeed!! this Control Pattern is us or a "them".
This acknowledges human agencies also have a parallel human control system.
Big C & Little C if you will....

reply to post by Caver78


I'm 100% certain that entities from outside of our system
'soul ride' the 'tulpas' that we humans create. When that
happens, we get physical UFO and 'entity' manifestations

Tulpa

If i get to talk to Vallee in the near future, I'll explain
my whole theory to him and see what he says.

My friend the PHD physicist who helped develop the
zero point field theory (which has been proven to
some degree) will probably be pretty enthusiastic
about it too.. and maybe add to it.

As Vallee says.. they need the doorway to our world
to be created by the human mind.. and I've already
found and followed once such doorway and found
'aliens'.

Really.. sounds like you and I are on a similar page.

Thanks..

Kevin

I took physics in college, and just recently I saw my old physics professor on. His name is Dr. Jack Kasher. You can find in bing/google search. He is one smart cookie. He's been pursuing UFO's for decades, and still at it.

IIRC there was a layline thread down in fragile earth that discussed humans as being the bridge between dimensions?

...more Control System evidence.

Seems the more humans think for themselves the more microcosm "corrections" take place to keep us divided.
Interesting!!

reply to post by Caver78


Nawwww..

The 'main field' isn't trying to keep us divided.
Almost everyone believes that.. but it's not true.

Every human carries a 'mini-field' microcosm in
their body. It's the chakra system and other
components.

It's humans.. individual humans.. and groups of
like-thinking humans who 'sabotage' and cause
division.. FAR more than the field as a whole,
or boogeyman aliens from other dimensions.

For example Christians are determined to create
an anti-Christ tulpa.. and make him come true..
even though there is no such thing.

Muslims..believe in djinn...those are their tulpas.

Most humans believe in souls.. but those are tulpas
too.. and don't serve the function which humans
think they do..

New agers believe in "higher selves" and those are
just tulpas too.

All these human-created tulpas battle each other..
and set humanity back thousands of years..

Now, does 'god' and do 'aliens' stick their toe
in the bath water and muddy it up too?

Sure.

But if I were a betting man, I'd say that is 20%
and humanity creates 80% of it's misery.

Kevin

I would like to draw attention to a warning, or something Vallee said about the 'control system' in an interview...

"When I speak of a control system for planet earth," he says, " I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power…."

Link

Is this not the direction this thread has turned?

CdT

I don't want to stifle any discussion with my insane strong personality.

I just want to be put on the record, that if anyone wishes to contribute
something to this thread, but is shy about doing so, or just doesn't want
to deal with my responses.. just do this:

put in your post "NO KPB" in the beginning, and i'll respect your wishes
and not respond.

I value what anyone has to say.. there might be a really wonderful observation
or data point someone has.. and I don't want to accidentally interfere with that
coming out..

I love you all.. just the way you are.. even if you disagree with me 100%.
I look down my nose at nobody.. I mock nobody's heartfelt beliefs and
theories.

Kevin "KPB"

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


That's my opinion.

I think that the sorcerer spies tried to influence society..
and had limited success.. but then got 'smacked down'.

I think that the 'racial unconscious' level of the control
infrastructure is far more in control than any of the
other layers.

when either the sorcerer spies or the aliens who possess
our 'tulpas' manage to do something impressive it catches
our attention.. but I think it's the exception and not
the rule..

and in any case, if humans would stop creating such
crappy tulpas.. low quality ones.. then these other
'players' wouldn't have those tulpas to abuse.

Kevin

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear



Tulpa's are a magnificent thing to be sure Kevin, to construct a thing or being with sheer consciousness and will, oh great the image of man to behold, in the likeness of Creation...

But how does this open the phenomenon of UFO for the masses? Seeing it through the screen upon which you apply to your perceptions of said events - we are back again to a mystical construct the majority are blinded to perceiving except for the initiated few, the rest are left to filter it through whatever belief set they were programmed with.

I don't think this is what Vallee meant for us to unravel and stop upon, in trying to access/infiltrate the control system. We are looking for the back door, accessible to even the most mundane, conditioned human in this world, regardless of the belief set they were conditioned with by their nuclear family and greater community family as a whole. He is looking for a way of taking down the veil, not making it simply accessible to just the lucky/unlucky few. Which is where we stand currently. A few hold the truth, while the others (all of us) sift through the disinformation trying to make heads or tails of the half-truths.

CdT

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


That's the problem.
The veil is not meant to be taken down.
Mass 'human initiation' is not likely.
No matter how much outsiders poke and prod.

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


That's the problem.
The veil is not meant to be taken down.
Mass 'human initiation' is not likely.
No matter how much outsiders poke and prod.

ATS typifies the very issue.
All these folks want to 'penetrate the mysteries' by force.
Well, sometimes that's possible.. we might be able to catch
the human TPTB in the act sometimes..

But let's call it 'god's game'.
That's invitation-only.

Now, could we possibly penetrate some lower-level
control system? Sure.. and I hope that happens..

But the onion has many layers..
And the onion exists for a valid reason.

Perhaps the 'game' is infinitely larger than any of us
want to believe..

Please don't think that I'm trying to interfere with
solving this puzzle.. far from it.. In a manner of
speaking I'm willing to sacrifice my life to see a
big chunk of it be solved.

Kevin

reply to post by Caver78


Back a ways in this post I discussed the ancient symbiotes that apparently
have been evolving with humans from day 1. There are also parasites.
There are also x-dim aliens that intrude.

I totally concur that the human racial unconscious is not the only player..
but it's the interface which enables all these other players.

That's what I'm saying.

Kevin

Well I had a great 30 minute call with my old physicist friend.
He's very interested in listening to my points of view.

I also mentioned the possibility of talking to Vallee sometime.. and
he thought that would be possible.. but no dreams of Vallee coming
on the forum I don't think. He's been targeted by lots of unpleasant
people and it sounds like he's had enough of that. I can't blaim him.
I'm not a public or famous person in any way.. haven't even revealed
anything more than my first name.. and people can be pretty
cranky.. I can't imagine what Vallee has gone through.

Kevin

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

but no dreams of Vallee coming on the forum I don't think. He's been targeted by lots of unpleasant people and it sounds like he's had enough of that.

If Dr Vallee were to come here he would be treated with all the respect he rightly deserves , I'm sure many here would relish the chance to converse with and ask questions of such giant in the field of Ufology.

From Cirque's link;
In The Invisible College (E.P. Dutton, 1975) Vallee posits the idea of a "control system." UFOs and related phenomena are "the means through which man's concepts are being rearranged." Their ultimate source may be unknowable, at least at this stage of human development; what we do know, according to Vallee, is that they are presenting us with continually recurring "absurd" messages and appearances which defy rational analysis but which nonetheless address human beings on the level of myth and imagination.
www.ufoevidence.org...

So if the language being used is myth/archetypes then math isn't the universal language?

(sorry this thread is kicking my @$$)

reply to post by gortex


Oh I know..I'm sure he would be treated with utmost respect by 95%
of the members...

To me he's beyond a giant..

If I get that call or calls or visits, I'll consider myself fortunate beyond
fortunate. My friend, who is very famous in his own right.. won't set up
such a communication unless he's convinced himself that I have something
possibly groundbreaking to contribute.. so I have that first hurdle to get
past..

I'll just be well pleased if some of my material gets included in my friends
latest book.. I'm too 'liminal in the moment' to write my own perhaps.

Kevin

reply to post by Caver78


Math may certainly be the universal language..

But all languages have sub-units.. such as phonemes..
and (not being a linguist) I imagne there are further
sub-units.. and go further back than that.. and maybe
you get into what's called 'neural correlates of consciousness'
and go beyond that a bunch of steps and you will (I imagine)
hit math.

In my opinion, the reason for the 'illogical' messages from
'the field' is that the 'field' is not formed nor directly
modified by what we call rational thought.

I for one, observe that the so-called 'lower 6 chakras'
feed into 'the field' which means all 'chakras' not
tied directly to the main executive brain functions..

It's literally our unconscious mental processing which is
hooked into this frankenstein machine.. That's why it's
not logical and can only be accessed by myth and
certain spiritual means.

that's my take on it.

Kevin

Here's a link to one of my old threads that covers an interview with Vallee on Coast to Coast, lots of facets as to his findings and his allegiances. If someone can pull up an audio of the interview I believe it would contribute to this thread with the direction he was exploring as of 2007. If there are any newer than this I would suggest posting them.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Vallee Interview



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