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MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by boymonkey74
I wish we could just give them all a big land mass
They already have their own land mass...but for some reason, they choose to come here...
I don't understand that sentiment...If I were fanatical about my beliefs...I would never emigrate to live somewhere were my beliefs are not supported by the community.
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.
Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).
The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force Blunt, 29:274).
What CAN happen if governments decide this is too much of a problem? Nothing, they are mostly all citizens now and worse than that; they are a massive community, working together for one cause. The indigenous people of those Western countries are all isolated communities following orders from a government. Who would win?
The patriots who stand up for the rights of their own people in these countries are labelled racists and laughed into oblivion.
FFS4000
MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by boymonkey74
I wish we could just give them all a big land mass
They already have their own land mass...but for some reason, they choose to come here...
I don't understand that sentiment...If I were fanatical about my beliefs...I would never emigrate to live somewhere were my beliefs are not supported by the community.
As someone from the UK i can tell you why they have moved out from where they were. Where they were was a s**t hole, so to feel like home they want to turn the world into a s**thole, but they want the free stuff they dont get at home
dollukka
Problem in Europe is that no one is willing to do anything. I blame EU and loose directives of free movement of labour, free movement of people. When we opened borders in illusion of getting workers and letting families enter, something went terribly wrong. When we thought immigration would concern so called nuclear families, we noticed soon that it was extended to pretty much whole bunch of relatives of these immigrants. When we were concerned of their well being and happiness in our society, our goverments did everything they were able and more to improve quality of their lives. What happened to these workers which we expected to increase competitiveness of our countries, increase of gross domestic production, we were eaten from the inside out and whole Europe is in deep monetary problems. What really happened is that we manipulated ourselves to believe in progress which was a fake.
When we noticed what is really happening, we have paralyzed to do anything about it. We are paralyzed with political correctness, our self loathing and self-censorship. What we need is awareness of the risk of our own traditions and heritages will be gone. More strict laws with the immigration.
In a nutshell, we were stupid and now we are paying for it.
I'll leave it to you to decide why they are doing this...
MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by Revolution9
I'll leave it to you to decide why they are doing this...
For me...it's the capitalist system they need to feed. For capitalism to survive...it constantly needs to grow...expand the market...otherwise it would stall. Opening borders and immigration is in my book a simple way to ensure the influx of new victims...new loans, new markets, more consumers.
Capital cares not for your religion, or your faith...it only cares for you to get in the game and feed the snake.
To prove a point...even a devout muslim...an extremist in the minds of many...in the OP video. A child sits next to him...while he is giving the interview...and this child...is playing on a smartphone...which is a symbol of the western decadence he so proudly wants to conquer.
If sharia was in power during the last 100 years...we wouldn't be having smartphones you ***hole.
biggm
boymonkey74
If any religion tried to take control of my government I would fight as many others would.
I wish we could just give them all a big land mass, wall them in and let them all kill each other off to let the rest of humanity who doesn't want state and religion as one get on as a specie.
Scary it is but education will sort it all out....I hope.
Like you I am in the UK, I didn't see you fighting when Abu was burning the national flag on the streets of London, whilst being protected by our police force, likewise when the extremists were abusing the dead soldiers arriving home whilst again being protected by our police force, it is to late, for some reason western governments are allowing this to happen.
So I guess you know some people that are moderate Muslims...do you think...those we would call moderate muslims would reject Sharia law...if it ever came up for debate ? I have a feeling that extremists are more influential on the base community than those of a moderate orientation.
laurentius
well said Sahabi, but, what if Islam becomes the majority?
Will you turn to Islam again or keep the status of traitor/infidel?
Lumpy79
The clue is in the video; They are trying to take over the West by outbreeding.
yorkshirelad
biggm
boymonkey74
If any religion tried to take control of my government I would fight as many others would.
I wish we could just give them all a big land mass, wall them in and let them all kill each other off to let the rest of humanity who doesn't want state and religion as one get on as a specie.
Scary it is but education will sort it all out....I hope.
Like you I am in the UK, I didn't see you fighting when Abu was burning the national flag on the streets of London, whilst being protected by our police force, likewise when the extremists were abusing the dead soldiers arriving home whilst again being protected by our police force, it is to late, for some reason western governments are allowing this to happen.
I understand where the anger comes from but you have to be careful. Presumably if a group of welsh, white , middle aged men and women, protested against government imposition of cuts which impacted on their part of the UK more than anywhere else and they started to burn union jacks but flew welsh dragons, that would be ok ?