Hot Cha Cha Cha... Obama Admits Consulting With Democratic Socialist Marxist On Immigration Reform

reply to post by beezzer


Language is important and I'm sorry but it isn't okay to constantly take words and assign them negative connotation. Do you like it when the word Conservative is constantly used to describe racist misogynists?

Originally posted by HauntWok
The right rejects a huge voting bloc based solely on ethnic stereotypes ...

Actually I think you are the one stereotyping.
Your statement isn't propaganda put out by the left against the right.
And you bought it.

(and before you try it ... don't say 'oh you conservatives ....' with me. I don't vote republican or democrat.
I have in the distant past, but have abandoned both of them).

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

Language is important and I'm sorry but it isn't okay to constantly take words and assign them negative connotation. Do you like it when the word Conservative is constantly used to describe racist misogynists?

Agree, somewhat. We spend too much time on definitions and not on defining actions.

If my conservative actions and policies were racially misogynistic, then it'd be appropriate to call me that. If not, then it's just an attack and not a legitamate criticism.

Sometimes, when it quacks like a duck and talks like a duck and walks like a duck. . . . calling it a goose and getting all bent out of shape seems counter-productive.

Originally posted by Kali74
Please learn the definition of Socialism and then learn the definition of Statism and apply properly.

Sure, right after you look up the definition of "shill" and "drone".

Originally posted by neo96
Anyone who didn't think immigration/Amnesty wasn't about votes was not living in reality.

True Fact,

It has never been about anything BUT votes.

Not that I disagree but i think there's more at stake than simple votes. After all, we know they can manipulate the electronic voting machines any way they want. That was demonstrated in Ohio as far back as '04.
There's something much darker at play here (no pun intended); more people on social services, more strain on the system, more competition with Americans for jobs and a faster route to economic ruin and social chaos.
I think it's all part of destroying America as we knew it and doing it as quickly as possible.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I realized that the coverup of Obama's socialism was not even something close to a conspiracy when I went to a page that had likely 50 videos of Obama, and 2 were missing. They were the ones pertaining to socialism. Any video even remotely related to this subject, with Obama in it, is an EXTREMELY rare find. "Video not found." When a government can scrub the web like this, there is something terribly wrong.

But still, with all this long out there, flat out evidence that I showed here today, why has nothing been done about this? Yes you are right there is something sinister out there and it is huge!

Maybe it is good that this is being brought to light again by me. Now that we have had some time to see some of Obama's policies in action. Sorry folks, but I am middle class and I don't like seeing my wealth redistributed. And i like my freedoms also, thank you....

Seriously, I find you Americans funny.

Democratic socialism IS the future if we want to evolve as a society.
Stop thinking about individualism like it's the best thing in the universe.

I am not saying that Obama is doing the right thing because oligarchy seems to be his plan but you guys all seem totally brainwashed with ideas that freedom can only come from capitalism and everything else is evil.

We will simply die on this stupid rock called earth if we continue thinking like selfish animals.

Earth WILL be destroyed eventually and we NEED to progress trough space if we want humanity to survive and I'm telling you, we ain't getting nowhere with the way things are now.

Not that most of care for something else than your little self which is why you won't even understand what I'm talking about.

reply to post by elouina


You keep saying "socialist" like it is a dirty word.

We are already partially socialist, and many of us think that we need even more socialist programs.

Social Security, Medicare, Highway system, internet (research for it), Amtrak, Public Schools, Fire Departments, Police Departments, US Military, Our Space Program.

Hardly any of these would be considered "evil" by most people. I'm sure some people have gripes about Medicare or Social Security...but for the most part Americans (even Republicans) embrace our Nations Socialist programs. We just tend to call them "social" programs, because if you put the "ist" on the end of it...people flip out (like this thread)...but the meanings are the same with or without the "ist".

Originally posted by theMediator
Seriously, I find you Americans funny.

I think Americans are amusing also.

Democratic socialism IS the future if we want to evolve as a society.

Says who?

Stop thinking about individualism like it's the best thing in the universe.

It's not the best thing in the universe, canned cheese is. But individualism comes pretty darned close.

I am not saying that Obama is doing the right thing because oligarchy seems to be his plan but you guys all seem totally brainwashed with ideas that freedom can only come from capitalism and everything else is evil.

Freedoms come from individualism. Capitalism comes people trying to make money.

We will simply die on this stupid rock called earth if we continue thinking like selfish animals.

We will die on this stupid rock, regardless of what we think.

Earth WILL be destroyed eventually and we NEED to progress trough space if we want humanity to survive and I'm telling you, we ain't getting nowhere with the way things are now.

I'm all for space programs.

Not that most of care for something else than your little self which is why you won't even understand what I'm talking about.

Got that right. I care about my little family on this little rock.

Originally posted by AlienScience
reply to post by elouina

 

You keep saying "socialist" like it is a dirty word.

We are already partially socialist, and many of us think that we need even more socialist programs.

Social Security, Medicare, Highway system, internet (research for it), Amtrak, Public Schools, Fire Departments, Police Departments, US Military, Our Space Program.

Hardly any of these would be considered "evil" by most people. I'm sure some people have gripes about Medicare or Social Security...but for the most part Americans (even Republicans) embrace our Nations Socialist programs. We just tend to call them "social" programs, because if you put the "ist" on the end of it...people flip out (like this thread)...but the meanings are the same with or without the "ist".

Well, yes it is a dirty word to all but those of you who are socialists. Sorry, but this country was not built on socialist principles. And I do not like it being snuck in behind the backs of Americans. If a person is a socialist, then they should run for office as a socialist. Why didn't Obama run as a socialist? Because he knew that Americans would have never elected him. This is sneaky and corrupt! And Obama really needs to be exposed for who and what he is.

reply to post by elouina

Well, yes it is a dirty word to all but those of you who are socialists. Sorry, but this country was not built on socialist principles. And I do not like it being snuck in behind the backs of Americans. If a person is a socialist, then they should run for office as a socialist. Why didn't Obama run as a socialist? Because he knew that Americans would have never elected him. This is sneaky and corrupt! And Obama really needs to be exposed for who and what he is.

He isn't a Socialist by any definition, neither am I, but that doesn't mean I don't see the benefit in having certain Socialist programs.

Do you understand that there is a difference between having a pure Socialist Economy and having certain aspects in our economy be Socialist?

Our Fire Departments and Police Departments are 100% SOCIALIST by the very definition of the word, do you have a problem with Fire Fighters and Police Officers? Are they "dirty socialist" in your opinion?

Also, our country does not have a defined economic policy...we are FREE to be Capitalist, Socialist, or any other economic model we choose to be. That is what America was built on, not the idea that we should demonize one thing over another and demonize those that see the benefits of one idea over the one you prefer...that is not very American-like behavior.

Originally posted by neo96
Anyone who didn't think immigration/Amnesty wasn't about votes was not living in reality.

True Fact,

It has never been about anything BUT votes.

Which is what the whole deal is about, 'identity politics' to get and maintain political power,

The ends justify the means garbage.

Maybe if Obama would stop alienating half of the legal residents in this country he, and his party wouldn't have to 'make' other people from other countries who don't know how full of crap they are, citizens

edit on 7-8-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Votes play a role in it of course. However we also know both parties do it. Reagan and the GOP were big on amnesty for illgegals because they tend to be conservative family value types. Of course the Tea Party screwed all that up by letting racist lunatics become the mouth piece of the party. So now both Parties are rushing to give amnesty to win votes. That and the fact we desperately need the cheap labor and youth to build a stronger tax base so we do not end up like Japan with growing elderly population and a shriking young tax base. However the fact that amnesty it is good for the country comes secondary to both parties trying to win votes.

Amnesty or not, the GOP is slowly but surely sealing it's fate. Changing demographics spell the end for the GOP. There is no room in the future for a party that is hellbent on not denying ignorance.

Just look at the past 2 presidential elections, I expect 2014 to be a bad year for the GOP as well.

Ok so any minute now the USA the most powerful
and profitable capatilist society will become socialist?
And martial law and sharia law and and and....

If his secret plans haven't hatched in 6 years, when?
And not a single gun has been confiscated still?
He's terrible at being dictator .

Originally posted by muse7
Amnesty or not, the GOP is slowly but surely sealing it's fate. Changing demographics spell the end for the GOP. There is no room in the future for a party that is hellbent on not denying ignorance.

Just look at the past 2 presidential elections, I expect 2014 to be a bad year for the GOP as well.

Right now one of the biggest problems the GOP has is that it is in a catch 22. The leadership knows they need some of the latino and black vote, but they also know that if they pursue it they will lose a portion of their base. They know they can't gain enough latino/black support to supplement what they will lose in their base, and they know they can't win national elections without more of the latino/black vote.

It's the GOP's supporters that are killing the GOP by not being open to the new reality of this country.

The GOP will still be strong in the House, they have gerrymandered the lines enough to stay relevant in the House for a few more elections. But I don't see them winning back the Senate anytime soon and I don't ever see them winning a Presidential election again if they stay on this course.

Originally posted by sealing
Ok so any minute now the USA the most powerful
and profitable capatilist society will become socialist?
And martial law and sharia law and and and....

If his secret plans haven't hatched in 6 years, when?
And not a single gun has been confiscated still?
He's terrible at being dictator .

He has being downright sneaky with hiding his DSA/New Party affiliations. If this is so great and innocent, then why is he hiding this?

Fortunately some of Obama's plans have been blocked. Just some though... And recent events show that he has been getting extremely annoyed and threatening to go around congress. But he still does want our guns confiscated. He lost that battle so far, and good riddance! You are right he is terrible at being a dictator and a president. :lol

This is why we need to be vigilant to protect our constitution and what it stands for.

Originally posted by muse7
Amnesty or not, the GOP is slowly but surely sealing it's fate. Changing demographics spell the end for the GOP. There is no room in the future for a party that is hellbent on not denying ignorance.

Just look at the past 2 presidential elections, I expect 2014 to be a bad year for the GOP as well.

Not that I'm a big fan of the GOP but 2010, they kicked butt.

Originally posted by muse7
Changing demographics spell the end for the GOP.

We talking about Amnesty?

Cause if we are, then yeah. That's the whole point of Obama's "version" of Immigration Reform.

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by neo96

 

Anyone who didn't think immigration/Amnesty wasn't about votes was not living in reality.

Which is hilarious as those "voters" you speak of, are really conservative (traditional family values, predominately Catholic), but a political ideology has abandoned them as sub human so those "voters" go with the other side who accepts them.

The right rejects a huge voting bloc based solely on ethnic stereotypes (brown skin = illegal alien) and so the vast majority of that voting block goes to the Dems.

So all the Democrats who cry about voter ID, and want to pass immigration want to me more GOP voters eh?

Really?

Tell me more how they are 'conservative.'

Skin color aint got jack to do with anything that is liberal lying it is all about rewarding those WHO BREAK the law.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I can agree with that as most illegals are poor, and the current economic state of the union does mean just more people to put on the government dime as there is no work here, or low paying work.

All about the vote because they really don't care about anything else, sure they sure do love to spin like they 'care'.