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Yep, I upset the creator, and I got chastised for it, but it was all a part of the plan, what plan I don't know, as it is far beyond me to understand God, other than God exists all around me,you,the OP, and once one is able to understand and experience it, then God reviles itself in whatever way that person will understand best.
Originally posted by ccseagull
reply to post by AfterInfinity
Kids that die every day, rapes, torture – this is what comes of man’s sin. We must pray for those who are in those situations, to help those people, or to prevent it. God will not intervene unless we call out to Him or pray for those people. That is why prayers are so important.
Originally posted by danielsil18
Originally posted by ccseagull
reply to post by danielsil18
Hi Daniel - I'm sorry if that is how my comment came across. This is what I meant.
The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, animal sacrifices, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.
Christians still look to the Old Testament scripture for moral and spiritual guidance (2 Timothy 3:16-17). But when there seems to be a conflict between Old Testament laws and New Testament principles, we must follow the New Testament because it represents the most recent and most perfect revelation from God (Hebrews 8:13, 2 Corinthians 3:1-18, Galatians 2:15-20).
www.christianbiblereference.org...
If the old testament says "Follow every law until the end of time" then the new testament says "Don't follow the laws of the old testament" How is it that you get to pick and choose?
Who picked and chose? One says one things, the other says something else. How can you take this book seriously?
Do you even know what to believe or why you are believing it?
I don't know to you, but to me it's absurd to have a Bible that has many conflicts and you having you pick and choose what to believe what to leave out and then tell people that to believe in God and Jesus they have to read the Bible.
Why not just create your own Bible and put on the verse that you picked to follow?
I can link you a picture of a kiwi.
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
So...
*Takes a DEEP breath*
God sees man (his own creation) is sinful and corrupted by the devil (his own creation) and decides to destroy them but instead, sends himself down (Jesus) to save man from God (himself/Jesus) but only if they believe in him (Jesus/God) will they be able to be saved from God's wrath (Jesus/God).
Not everyone wants to believe in Jesus (God) so God kills himself (Jesus) on a cross (commits suicide?) to save mankind from God's (himself/Jesus) wrath.
Make sense?
God help us
Originally posted by ccseagull
reply to post by danielsil18
Absolutly. No question. I know where you are going with this.
God will intervene if we ask for ourselves or on behalf of others.
Otherwise there is no free will.edit on 1/7/13 by ccseagull because: Explained in more detail
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by danielsil18
I can link you a picture of a kiwi.
I can link you a picture of a rooster pouring a cup of coffee. Do you think it happened?
If you describe a kiwi fruit to someone that has never seen one before, he will probably tell you that such a thing doesn't exist.
Anyway, you may be able to see God in a kiwi, the original point that you missed.
Not everyone wants to believe in Jesus (God) so God kills himself (Jesus) on a cross (commits suicide?) to save mankind from God's (himself/Jesus) wrath.
Make sense?
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Mister_Bit
Not everyone wants to believe in Jesus (God) so God kills himself (Jesus) on a cross (commits suicide?) to save mankind from God's (himself/Jesus) wrath.
Make sense?
God had to create a way to reconcile human souls back to himself so that people wouldn't die after the human body of flesh dies.
If people choose to reject that reconciliation, then yes, they will face God's wrath by not being reconciled back to God through the Spirit to live for eternity.
Originally posted by KaelemJames
reply to post by danielsil18
I don't like quoting from the Bible on ATS. But, at times it is necessary.
Ezekiel 12:2: Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people.
Matthew 13:13-17: For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them. But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Originally posted by Miracula
Did your father ever tell you to do chores or obey while he was away?
Did you do what you were told even though he wasn't there physically?
Same thing.
Being able to see God in a kiwi? again if you are not talking about the God the Bible mentions than we are not talking about the same thing.
... and if and when Our Father comes back to find out that we threw a party while he was away, which actually turned his home into a sh*t-hole, he's gonna be pretty p!ssed off that we screwed this place up... and then what---another flood?
Originally posted by danielsil18
Originally posted by Miracula
Did your father ever tell you to do chores or obey while he was away?
Did you do what you were told even though he wasn't there physically?
Same thing.
The huge difference is that my father told me face to face to do the chores while he was away.
See, I know for a fact my father exists, told me to do the chores, and I'm sure he is coming back.
Originally posted by danielsil18
Originally posted by ccseagull
reply to post by danielsil18
Absolutly. No question. I know where you are going with this.
God will intervene if we ask for ourselves or on behalf of others.
Otherwise there is no free will.edit on 1/7/13 by ccseagull because: Explained in more detail
You knew where I was going but your answer didn't do the question justice.
You basically said that God would value free will much more than that little girl.
Seagull, you have a better heart than the God you preach.