Gay Colorado couple sues bakery for allegedly refusing them wedding cake

reply to post by esdad71


Dog weddings aren't legal either. But they aren't illegal. A gay wedding isn't illegal, it just wasn't legally recognized in Colorado at that time. There are lots of reasons for purchasing a cake that have no "legal" basis.

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Please re-read your answer. You went in a circle. No one is saying they will be imprisoned. I never did. However, you just stated It is not legal to get married same sex in Colorado, right? So, if it is NOT legal therefore it cannot be protected by a law in Colorado.

Prejudice? Sorry, but no. You see, I will drop the bomb. I have a 7 y/o ( 3rd child) who my wife and I believe may be gay based on some things he does, wears and how he acts. It is tough for him. I will not go further into specifics but there are signs. I am sure if your son is gay you know. He was bullied this year earlier in school because he took yoga after school and it was him and all girls. He was called the Little white faggot more than a few times. School did nothing. We had to pull him. Did I make it a 'gay issue' with him, no, I told him people are ignorant and he needs to learn to deal with people like this. BTW, you can find this in a past post of mine. He needs to know he is not different. He needs to know he is loved. That way if it does turn out that he is gay or not, he will not think anyone is different. He needs to figure that out. Maybe he is just a bit effeminine so he will not be labeled.

So take prejudice and put it somewhere else. I am battling for rights for all and not rights for special interests which is how the government uses the gay agenda.

If the baker denied my son a 'marriage cake" I would hope in the future he would know the guy could very well be ignorant or simply in the closet.

reply to post by windword


Dogs can't drive cars or pay taxes either but that is not what we are talking about. Toonces could drive though...does he make cat cakes?

reply to post by esdad71

Originally posted by esdad71
Is gay marriage legal Colorado? Just answer that question.

It's not illegal for gay people to be married while living in Colorado. The state just doesn't recognize their marriage. But we're not talking about marriage or marriage laws. They were already legally married when they asked for the cake, so the point is moot, I'm afraid.

The baker has nothing to do with the state recognition of their marriage. It's none of his business. He has NO legal interest in their marriage. He sells cakes.

reply to post by esdad71

Originally posted by esdad71
The law protects a person who is gay, not the act of two of them getting married.

They weren't trying to get married. They were already married. This is not a case about marriage. It's about a baker refusing to sell a wedding cake to a customer, based on their sexual orientation, which is illegal in the state of Colorado. It's really that simple.

I answered your question. Now you answer mine. Is selling a wedding cake to a gay person illegal?

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LOL! Now that's illegal!

Originally posted by MalynnWhat is it with people comparing homosexuality with beastiality? As if the two could even remotely be compared.

Why not?

Originally posted by esdad71
Again, this bakery was targeted but none of you want to see that you only want to think with your own emotions. To be honest, I am tired of any group, gay, black, whatever complaining in this day and age. Why do they complain? Because they want attention and it is given to them

Agree. Thats why we need to discuss on ATS in the hopes that people do not blindfoldedly fall into many traps that many of the groups lay out there. I would love to see the tactics and more movements from all the special interest groups and the 2016 elections

Originally posted by Majestic Lumen
Colorado needs more bakeries than just one...wait there's more? why not go somewhere else? if someone was to discriminate against me for being a long haired metal head, I wouldn't want to give them business anyway and just say screw you guys, I'm going somewhere else.

nooooooooooooooo...they'll fight to get the attention (just like my wife does) I dont blame them but its pointless and aimless.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by esdad71

 

Originally posted by esdad71
Is gay marriage legal Colorado? Just answer that question.

It's not illegal for gay people to be married while living in Colorado. The state just doesn't recognize their marriage. But we're not talking about marriage or marriage laws. They were already legally married when they asked for the cake, so the point is moot, I'm afraid.

The baker has nothing to do with the state recognition of their marriage. It's none of his business. He has NO legal interest in their marriage. He sells cakes.

reply to post by esdad71

 

Originally posted by esdad71
The law protects a person who is gay, not the act of two of them getting married.

They weren't trying to get married. They were already married. This is not a case about marriage. It's about a baker refusing to sell a wedding cake to a customer, based on their sexual orientation, which is illegal in the state of Colorado. It's really that simple.

I answered your question. Now you answer mine. Is selling a wedding cake to a gay person illegal?

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No, selling a cake to a gay person is not illegal. I have already stated this. However, forcing someone to do something against their religious beliefs is. Freedom of Religion is in the constitution. So, making a wedding cake if the person believes, according to their religion, it is not right should not be forced. Any religious belief should be protected whether Catholic, Atheist or Wiccan.

That is my argument. Again, I have stated this, I have no problem with a same sex wedding cake, I have a problem with the government on a State or Federal level going against the Constitution of the United States whihc ensures freedom of religious beliefs.

Originally posted by Honor93
porn isn't illegal yet, however, i can almost guarantee that no public store would prepare such for ANY price for ANY customer. it is their right to refuse, period.

Now you're talkin Why can't we sell Porn in all the stores?

Originally posted by Foreshadow
"But a bakery who sells wedding cakes MUST sell a wedding cake to the populous at large"
Is this Communist Russia? I Must Sell? Say again?

edit on 7-6-2013 by Foreshadow because: quotes

I guess the liberal agenda is working. Sad to see it is heading towards it...'communism' that is from the forecast and changes that we've been put through the last 5 years by the almighty POTUS.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The privately owned business has a right to accept or reject whichever clients it wants.
On the flip side - people have a right to boycott this business if they dont' like the way it's run.
Welcome to freedom in America ...

Amen ! Too bad if they dont like the owner's policy. I agree completely.

reply to post by esdad71

Originally posted by esdad71
However, forcing someone to do something against their religious beliefs is.

He has the right to his beliefs, but does NOT have the right to discriminate.

Freedom of Religion is in the constitution.

Yes, but religion cannot be used to discriminate and deny others' rights. The freedom of religion is not infinite. There are limits. And this is one. In the 60s, people claimed that God wanted the races to be separate, so they fought against letting blacks into their restaurants.

In 2008, a lesbian couple in California sued a doctor who refused to inseminate them based on their sexuality. The lesbian couple won the suit. Source

Using Religion to Discriminate

With increasing frequency, we are seeing individuals and institutions claiming a right to discriminate – by refusing to provide services to women and LGBT people – based on religious objections.

Religious freedom in America means that we all have a right to our religious beliefs, but this does not give us the right to use our religion to discriminate against and impose those beliefs on others who do not share them.
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In many states, businesses are barred by law from discriminating against customers based on their sexual orientation, as well as based on race, religion, or other legally protected categories. Increasingly, we see business owners claiming that they do not have to follow these laws but can instead refuse to provide services – including lodging, wedding dresses, and photography services – because the owners object to same-sex relationships.
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Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, but when you operate a business or run a publicly funded social service agency open to the public, those beliefs do not give you a right to discriminate.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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P.s. Off-topic, but an interesting thought experiment. Walk into a Halal bakery wearing a yarmulke and ask them to make a cake with a picture of Muhammad, kneeling before an Israeli flag on it. They want it for a special festival. The bakery refuses, claiming it's against their religion. Sue on the basis of religious discrimination. Profit. - C -

Good point. Progressives pick and choose what type of political correctness is acceptable to them. I have said in the last 24 hours that the government decides these days what is right and wrong.

Thanks for the reminder as folks forget very easily that somewhere in DC someone is laughing hard at such debates/discussions on MSM and/or forums God help us with the amount of government control in US.

Originally posted by stargatetravels
reply to post by esdad71

 

This isn't about freedom, creative rights and harrassnent of a poor baker, it's about saying enough is enough and rooting out those who think this like guy and are treating people & customers this way & shining a light on their discriminating ways. What he did is against the law in CO and he should be punished with the full force of the law.

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Sure the hetrosexuals feel the same way. Enough is enough and we are also rooting out They should correct the law Now what? Whats next?

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by HandyDandy
reply to post by Honor93

 

How many times does it need to to be spelled out to you?
The gay couple did NOT ask for ANYTHING extra that the baker does not do already. How is this concept a hard concept?
Oh, I know, he doesn't make "gay" wedding cakes because a cake can be gay right?

they are being drama queens

I guess they can't help it

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by MalynnWhat is it with people comparing homosexuality with beastiality? As if the two could even remotely be compared.

Why not?

Why not compare Homosexuality and Beastiality?

surely you jest?

Originally posted by charles1952
Let me try an example, sometimes those work best.

A hardware store has been in business for years with no indication of discrimination to anyone. A Muslim (just assume he is, all right?) walks in and says to the Jewish owner, he'd like to try the American custom of bar-b-que, and could he please have a propane tank? The tank is sold and the Muslim walks out happy.

The next customer, coincidentally, is also a Muslim. He tells the store owner that they have set up a big display featuring a huge Torah, Menorah, several Israeli flags, and a large figure dressed to look like a Rabbi. The Muslim says they need a propane tank to ensure there is enough fuel for a roaring fire. They don't want to disappoint the press and Muslim dignitaries who will be assembled to watch the blaze.

If the store owner says "yes" to the first, and "no" to the second, is he discriminating on the basis of religion?

I love your analogy That was hilarious.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by esdad71

Layne Bryant makes clothes for large ladies...Skinny bithces of the world unite and shut them down.

If they refused to sell their clothes to skinny women, then they would have a case.

Well they're smart and promote their brand and aim their market through advertising Just the way Tommy Hilfiger didn't really deny but made it a point as per which market he was targetting to sell his products

Originally posted by windword
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Gay marriage isn't illegal, it just wasn't recognized or authorized in Colorado when this couple attempted to order a cake. No one was asking the baker to aid and abet in a crime.

And Colorado is facing a major milestone of its own this week: Civil unions will start on May 1, with the Office of the Clerk in Denver opening at midnight. Civil unions are better than nothing, but they're still no substitute for full marriage equality. The good news is that voters in Colorado appear ready to upgrade from civil unions: Some 51 percent favor marriage equality, with just 43 percent opposing it. Among voters under 30, that support is at an amazing 74 percent.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Union vs Marriage are two different things