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Originally posted by shiman
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
A Christian sees his own lowly estate in humility. Nothing about being a Christian is a cause for positional good. Rather, it is cause to see the humanity in us all. A positional good boasts. A contrite heart knows no such boasting. We can boast only in the friend we all have in Christ. He didn't come for the saint. He came for the sinner. It is the sinner who holds the position of honor.
So, according to this statement, why are you boasting?
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by shiman
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
A Christian sees his own lowly estate in humility. Nothing about being a Christian is a cause for positional good. Rather, it is cause to see the humanity in us all. A positional good boasts. A contrite heart knows no such boasting. We can boast only in the friend we all have in Christ. He didn't come for the saint. He came for the sinner. It is the sinner who holds the position of honor.
So, according to this statement, why are you boasting?
Quote the words where I have boasted about myself.
Originally posted by sevens8
No challenge from me, I believe God exist you are right and I know him and we can prove God exist easily now from the verification of the foundations of the world with the opened book God has provided for us through the Kingdom of Heaven.
The atheist cannot prove that God does not exist, they are stuffed in their falsehood with no where to go, they are cornered like a rat and act accordingly. The atheist is the greatest thief and liar of them all, robbing people of their eternal heritage without a scrap of evidence.
I'm not sure what worse Islam or Atheism, maybe atheism, Islam can change their ways unto God, unto the demonstrated truth supporting the Golden rule and the ways of Jesus. Atheists have no hope, they don't even try to find God in truth and demonstration, they instead hide under mountains hoping truth goes away speaking their crap in utter falsehood like a liar and a spiritual robber.edit on 13-5-2013 by sevens8 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by shiman
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by shiman
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
A Christian sees his own lowly estate in humility. Nothing about being a Christian is a cause for positional good. Rather, it is cause to see the humanity in us all. A positional good boasts. A contrite heart knows no such boasting. We can boast only in the friend we all have in Christ. He didn't come for the saint. He came for the sinner. It is the sinner who holds the position of honor.
So, according to this statement, why are you boasting?
Quote the words where I have boasted about myself.
You're very egotistical in the sense that you feel a part of this religion, you believe everybody else should be following this trend, so you boast about your own religion arrogantly as if it's the only trend and the right trend.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Taking the name of the Lord in vain is taking the name apart from the character. Many take the name in vain because they retain their own selfish will. God's will is to give and receive only. The thief takes. We know them by their fruit. There is no point blaming the gun. People kill people. There is no point blaming the religion. Selfishness kills people.
Originally posted by shauny
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
If I were an Atheist, I would be afraid as well.
Really?
Do you know this as a fact?
Religion scares me, why? Because you all fight and cause wars.
Religion will kill this world. Organised religion will kill is all.
And all you are doing here is giving your opinion.
I respect that.
But I have more proof does not exist, than you do that God exists.
This is a fact you would be in fear of yes?
Why would an Atheist be in fear? or afraid?
I don't get your logic here at all?
And you Avatar..
Enoch who?
Originally posted by shauny
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Thank you for your reply.
I have a preachy Aunt. I was born and raised to go to Church.
Once I was off age to realise it was a money making scheme by white, rich, gossipy people, I bailed.
Sorry buddy, All the will in the world won't make me turn to religion....
..But I believe there is a higher power. I have had experiences. I CAN HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH MY GOD. Nobody says I can't. One of my best friends (From the States, I am Scottish) is a Pastor, a Reverend, He teaches me well. He told me "Love God in your heart and that is enough"
He realised the imperfection of organised religion. Almost hates it. I don't blame him. All he gets is rich people ASK FOR MORE FROM God! Give me more money, give me a nice car, and more.
All I ask for for is to look after my kids, so far, Great Job by God..
On the War and kids dying front, not so good. He has tested my will, in pain, for 10+ years now.
What is he testing? Do you know? I don't
Thank you for your response Sir
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
I boast of God only.
Originally posted by shiman
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by shiman
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
A Christian sees his own lowly estate in humility. Nothing about being a Christian is a cause for positional good. Rather, it is cause to see the humanity in us all. A positional good boasts. A contrite heart knows no such boasting. We can boast only in the friend we all have in Christ. He didn't come for the saint. He came for the sinner. It is the sinner who holds the position of honor.
So, according to this statement, why are you boasting?
Quote the words where I have boasted about myself.
You're very egotistical in the sense that you feel a part of this religion, you believe everybody else should be following this trend, so you boast about your own religion arrogantly as if it's the only trend and the right trend.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
For those following this thread, let me point out a question and I would like as many to answer as you can.
The question is here:
If you get the answer right, you know a mystery that many Christians do not even realize. By this answer, I offer evidence for my claims in the OP.
edit on 15-5-2013 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)More specific than what you say. Read the Sermon on the Mount. It only takes a few minutes. Ask yourself the question: Can EnochWasRight, in all his musings on truth, accomplish this work of salvation from faith? Read Revelation 13 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. Let's assume for a minute that the mark of mankind is Carbon (6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons) and our fruit of knowledge is a graven image made from Carbon (Technology) and that this image will ultimately spell our demise. Let's see it coming and ask a simple question: Can I buy and sell? Yes. Why? Simple. I have not sold all I own and I do not pickup my cross, giving all I own to the poor (No selfishness at all). If I did, I could say that I do not have the mark of the beast (Animal nature of selfishness). Didn't Christ say that this was necessary? Didn't he say that the sermon on the mount was the measure of the Christian life? Let me give Jiggerj and my own righteousness a riddle? How do we overcome? You and I are on either side of the debate, yet we are equal against what Christ demands of us. Are we lost? Give me your best answer.
See if you can answer without a biblical reference and tell me what YOU think !
For yourself, with free will.
Obviously you are a staunch believer and I respect that you are.
I would love to have the clarity and certainty that you do.
I would love you to post what your definition of an atheist is.
Your definition, not a quote if possible.
I get the impression here sometimes that atheists are considered immoral , un-enlightened and lacking substance / intelligence.
IMHO there is noone walking the Earth right now who knows the truth of existence , the nature of a higher power or the proof there of.
I'm honest enough to admit that I don't know and couldn't possibly, are you ?
I do love considering it all.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by Thundersmurf
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
So let me get this straight, you want us to practice self-deception and extreme superstition until something clicks? No thanks, that's what made me find religion to be idiotic in the first place.
No. Just ask for a test from God. If he is real, you will receive your test. If not, you can go on with your life as usual and nothing will happen.
So what are the logical outcomes here? From what you've said, if we're tested then the test is from God and he is real. It would be reasonable to assume then that you'll be open to the suggestion that if God doesn't present a test, then he isn't real? yes?
Or maybe he's only real in the minds of some people?
I have followed this path many times. I already know the answer.
We are not lost for many reasons. First, from the point of view of the academic, I have a map, a GPS location, and many other means at my disposal to know where I am. I am here, and I know where "here" is.
Second, in a more arcane approach to the mundane logic, I exist, therefore I cannot be lost. And even if I am unsure to exactly "where" I am, someone else most likely knows my location.
Remember, we're talking about a parent here. Parents don't instill fear in their children, they instill a good conscience, strong morals, and love.
But, I'm a weirdo. I also believe in the golden rule. and sometimes, I truly DO wonder how some of the people in this world can commit such evils and sleep well at night. Their consciences must either cause them horrible grief, or they have learned to completely ignore it.