Utter Despair

Seems like a pertinant thread for this.
It's is what we are, presently, headed for.
Before the vote, I had it hosted on my own server
After the vote I moved it to an anon site.




Goddess be with you

Misfit

[edit on 4-11-2004 by Misfit]

Originally posted by Muaddib
WW, you have nothing to worry about, Republicans won't ask you to change your religion, and you missed the following.

"I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you - you don't have to worship."

Excerpted from the link you gave.

[edit on 4-11-2004 by Muaddib]

I wonder how long it took him to memorize this little speach. He says one thing and does another. He will be very busy with the draft soon- no time for religion.

Originally posted by Mahree

Originally posted by Strife3025
Mahree: I think its because if 49% of Americans disagree with what he says, they wil be"left behind"

Its not a very Christian attitude.....

Strife: I am sorry but I don't agree with your projection. You would be correct that "it isn't a very Christian attitude" if it were true.

There were many differences main stream Republicans had with President Bush on his last term. We expected him to pursue more actively the Republican platform. We then realized that he was not just our president, but your president too. And I believe this was how he tried to lead. Medicare drug benefits and illegal immigration are a couple that come to mind right now.

Hang on.......
Doesn't the basic Republican platform villify the poor and prompte the priveledged? Somewhat like our own Tories? And that is what it means to be Right Wing, is it not? If not, please enlighten me. And Im sorry but he is not MY president, he is in every sense YOUR president

[edit on 4/11/04 by Strife3025]

Originally posted by sandge

They instead spend $40 million to investigate/impeach him. Yeah, that's much better.

Ok...you people want some nose rubbing? I'll make ya happy then...we have to live up to the "evil image that Republicans have" according to Democrats/Liberals....

Investigations are more civilized than yelling for a revolution and demanding riots in the streets, or deciding to use other ways to disrupt America to protest...

AS i remember Democrats have spent as much or more against Republicans.

I also remember that it was Kerry who decided to hire first 10,000 lawyers to fight the decision of the elections if Bush won.

WASHINGTON � Three advertising campaigns by political groups harshly critical of President Bush are getting under way in 17 states, in an effort to counter Republican commercials that began showing last week.

The largest campaign opens on Wednesday, paid with $5 million in unlimited donations that political parties can no longer collect. Republicans say the tactic is an illegal way to support Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, contending that it violates campaign finance laws.
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The groups, two of which say they already have a total of $70 million in pledges, have moved to set up expansive voter drives while at the same time fighting the president on television using issues like jobs, the deficit and health care policy.

Excerpted from.
www.commondreams.org...

BTW...NADER is going to start a class action agains Kerry and Democrats for fraud....he is not going after Republicans, but Democrats..

I did a thread about this, let me now give a link from the "Green Left"...perhaps now you will believe it.

UNITED STATES: Democrats sabotage Nader-Camejo campaign
Barry Sheppard, San Francisco

�The Democratic Party's campaign of dirty tricks to keep [independent left candidates] Ralph Nader and Peter Camejo off the presidential ballot constitutes the most serious threat to voting rights in the US since the death of Jim Crow.

�The rationale of many liberals who support the Democratic Party's presidential candidate John Kerry, such as filmmaker Michael Moore and Global Exchange founder Media Benjamin, is that he will pull back from US President George Bush's all-out assault on civil rights. The reality is that Kerry's attempt to exclude Nader from the ballot is, like Bush's Patriot Act, which Kerry voted for and still supports, a dangerous infringement of democracy.

�Nader and Camejo's refusal to submit to the demand by the pro-war Kerry to shut up and get in line is the first real story in this election. The second real story is that millions of students and workers are supporting their underdog battle. That's what has got the two parties worried.�

Excerpted from.
www.greenleft.org.au...

I abhor having to give such a link since the Socialist/Communist propaganda is all over that site...but yet many Democrats/Liberals believe they are the "awakened ones" and the rest are asleep...

Communism, through the liberal media and liberal/democratic party has slowly but surely sucked many Americans into the Socialist agenda, yet the ultimate goal, as stated by many liberals is Communism.

If you had something to be scared about was Kerry being elected. I did another thread on Kerry's true intentions which are even announced in a Democratic site. Kerry had plans for a "New Army of Patriots" .... and a draft of 500,000 Americans every year for the next decade enlisting in this "New Army of Patriots." Let me quote again...

October 2003 Issue

In an October 14 speech at Hunter College, General Wesley Clark unveiled what appears to be the cornerstone of his campaign, an ambitious new national service program.

The plan, dubbed "New American Patriotism" (which also serves as Clark's campaign slogan), calls for "an administration that unites our country and works with the world community, and it calls all Americans to action in order to make the commitments and sacrifices to meet these historic challenges." Evocative and inspirational, the plan is also vaguely familiar.

A similar initiative by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, "A New Army of Patriots," which would "enlist citizens in the cause of a safer, stronger, and more secure America," touches on nearly identical themes and circumstances. Which candidate has the more compelling plan? Compare and decide for yourself.
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A New Army of Patriots
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Utilizes children and seniors to contribute community service in exchange for educational grants and supplemental healthcare grants retrospectively.
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Enlists young people "to protect our nation from future terror attacks" via the expansion of Police Corps, an educational program that pays officers for their education in exchange for their work commitment after graduation.

Excerpted from.
www.utne.com...

Here is a Democratic site that announces "part" of Kerry's plan.

In looking to the future at 2020, Senator Kerry says that "I want to create a seamless web of service where every American - young and old, rich and poor, of every race, religion, and background - can enlist in a new army of patriots who will serve on all the frontlines of our future - guarding our nation from danger abroad, strengthening our homeland security, reducing illiteracy, preserving our environment, providing after-school care, helping our seniors live in dignity, building new homes for those who need them - and in all of this, building a nation that is more truly one America."

Excerpted from.
www.2020democrats.org...



The thread where i gave evidence on what Kerry's plans really were can be found at.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 4-11-2004 by Muaddib]

I don't particularly fear someone as dumb as Bush. He may think this is some holy Jihad, but if he steps out of line of what the special interests want, he's done for...

[edit on 4-11-2004 by Thorfinn Skullsplitter]

Oh yes bcause (obviously ) communisits must be evil because Americans say so .

Im sorry since when has being a liberal ( dictionary definition: Generous, open-minded) been a crime?


Any one noticed the similarity between Goerge Dubbya and Chevy Chase in the Call me Al video?

[edit on 5/11/04 by Strife3025]

Originally posted by Strife3025

Originally posted by Mahree

Originally posted by Strife3025
Mahree: I think its because if 49% of Americans disagree with what he says, they wil be"left behind"

Its not a very Christian attitude.....

Originally posted by Mahree

Strife: I am sorry but I don't agree with your projection. You would be correct that "it isn't a very Christian attitude" if it were true.

There were many differences main stream Republicans had with President Bush on his last term. We expected him to pursue more actively the Republican platform. We then realized that he was not just our president, but your president too. And I believe this was how he tried to lead. Medicare drug benefits and illegal immigration are a couple that come to mind right now.

Originally posted by Strife3025
Hang on.......
Doesn't the basic Republican platform villify the poor and prompte the priveledged? Somewhat like our own Tories? And that is what it means to be Right Wing, is it not? If not, please enlighten me. And Im sorry but he is not MY president, he is in every sense YOUR president

My apology Strife, I hadn't noticed that you are not from my country.

I believe that you have a misconception of the Republican party.

I am a poor old lady. I am retired, but still work enough to take care of myself. No trust funds, no house, no car, no cable tv, etc. I do have the basic computer because I need it to do my work.

Now those facts probably don't fit your idea of a Republican or a happy satisfied citizen. I am proud to be able to work and take care of myself. That is what is behind the word "freedom" in the US. There are programs in the US that do take care of those unable to work or take care of themselves.

My ancestors came to this country in the 1600's and became naturalized American citizens. And there was a time when the Democrat party was for the "working people". My people worked mainly in the mills. And the unions were essential for working conditions. We were proud to be part of that growth in our country.

Now...we see the Democrat party as a party of the "non working people" the have's and have nots. The government will provide.

I find it distasteful a person is willing to TAKE from someone who has worked to earn their living. I also find this concept morally wrong.

Certainly there is much that is needed to make our country better, and if our country is working, healthly, and safe, the world will be a better place also.

I probably have told you much more than you wanted to hear. If I have bored you, I am sorry.

I am proud to be an American and have President Bush as my president.

I don't know whether to feel good that I am not alone in my sentiments or if I should feel even more despair, knowing that more people feel alienated from this president and his administration.

i'll be back later to explain a little further why I feel such despair about our current situation in this country.

But for this moment, I am going to do the American thing, no not get drunk
I'm going to put my distress on the back burner for the weekend and celebrate my third grader making Platinum Honor Roll, the highest honor of his school. He was the only one in the entire third grade that accomplished this honor. I am a proud mommy today and I won't let Bush or politics ruin this day for me.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
But for this moment, I am going to do the American thing, no not get drunk

lmdao

I'm going to put my distress on the back burner for the weekend and celebrate my third grader making Platinum Honor Roll, the highest honor of his school. He was the only one in the entire third grade that accomplished this honor. I am a proud mommy today and I won't let Bush or politics ruin this day for me.

Being the parent of an award-go-getter (and taker, heh) myself, I don't know what to say, because I know how it FEELS - and there just are not words for that feeling :=]

Misfit

Oh, woe is me

Woe is me



I'm guess I'm also in despair. I love this site. But it's been run over by way too many irrational doom and gloomers, meaning I won't be able to enjoy this site fully until they get over themselves.
And well....that sucks...

I understand how you feel, WW. The day afterwards I was so depressed I almost could not force myself to care enough to get out of bed and go to work. But you can't let it beat you down! You have to prepare for the bloodshead and subjigation that we know is coming.

Tuesday was a dark day, but if we do not pull ourselves together we will have to meet the coming darker days in a weakened state.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Oh, woe is me

Woe is me

I'm guess I'm also in despair. I love this site. But it's been run over by way too many irrational doom and gloomers, meaning I won't be able to enjoy this site fully until they get over themselves.
And well....that sucks...

Well, I gotta ask ya then - if you have obviously read so many posts that are, as you call, "doom and gloom" - why do you continue to read them? Moreso, why post to one?

Fer fu*k sakes, the gods forbid someone speak how they feel here - it will only be cut down by some who, hmm, don't feel perhaps?

Misfit

woah!!! don't get me wrong people, I haven't committed myself to dark clothes and moping around the house about this. Life goes on and I full well intend to live it. But the despair is there, everytime I turn on the news, or contemplate our future. I find it to be bleak and deceptive. You may want to keep your rose color glasses on all the time, but I choose to take them off ever so often.

anyways, I'm still in a good mood, my first grader also did great in school, all 1's or A's on his report card. I'm treating them to dinner tonight and the Incredibles this weekend.