The Gods

What in all are they?

A name.
A title.
Infinite.
Good luck.
First.
Eternal.
Four sexualities.
A self; an ego.
Four relatives.


How many Gods exist?

Two. And one of the two also goes by Goddess. Goddess is like unto God. Goddess is able to make love with God.

What are the Gods for?

Paradise.

What is the mark received in their fetish or in their sexualities?

Immorality.

And so what also are the Gods?

Devils!

These two Gods/Devils are, both, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond.

And these two might buy or sell abominations between each other. Therefore they are also each other's friend and enemy.

Magnify their conscious. The Gods are both also six senses. And the sixth sense is the sense of humor.

What keeps the two Gods busy during what is an eternity they have together? Their fetish and their sexualities.

Lucky buggers
Sex, fetish, Gods and devils...what an odd world you have there.

Well, tell the Gods that ghoster said "When you guys are all done having your freaky esoteric sexy lingerie parties that you need to come down to Earth and fix some real problems and stop messing around. Actually no, better yet, tell them to just stay out human business entirely, they have done enough screwing up as it is (as I judged by the current state of our planet.)"

Anyway, you certainly have some "interesting" thoughts going there, I guess.

-TheGhoster

reply to post by WarJohn


I was always under the impression that the gods were emanations of human psychological archetypes, and that there were a goodly amount of them, far more than just God and Goddess.

Unless you're talking about Wicca; if your whole post is about Wicca then you've pretty much nailed it on the head.

Except for devils. I would use the term daemon over devil. Devil has such negative connotations these days.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say the "four sexualities" and the "four relatives" ? Do you put the classical elements (Fire, Water, Air & Earth) into one of those categories?

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by WarJohn


Hi there. Your threads are always a thought provokng read and insightful.

eta
fands
and IMHO

The word "god" is decendant from the word "gut"
or "goth".
The term applies to the line of Aryans that ruled Sumer, India and unified and ruled upper and lower Egypt, and who held a kingdom that went from Ireland to China and contained the seven seas.
Zargon, and his son Menes being notable names
( Zargons hieroglyp contains the reeds and the basket because HE was the baby in the reeds that was adopted by the queen an who later became king)
Menes being "Ah Men" and also "Manitu", and "Minos"
the originatore of the lines was also known as Odin

the root words for Orion - Aryan etc

PS
Aryan
That is why the representations of "Jebus" are not brown eyed Arabic but blue eyed ...

now we return you to your regularlly schedualled thread


PPS
the line is also the promulgator of laws for the peeps to live by which were handed down from on high ( the top of the ziggurat ) on stone tablets

reply to post by WarJohn


Only two of them make love.

One is there to run the camera and the last, directs.

Didnt you realize? Earth is the universe's newest deistic porno.

reply to post by Wandering Scribe


The four sexualities are right under your nose. It's mental, psychological, emotional, and physical.

The four relatives are because of the two being eternal, and the two being inside one another, and the two being distant by opposite sex. So much of the two relate and completes one another. The four relatives God is to Goddess are: father, brother, son, and cousin. And the for relatives Goddess is to God are: mother, sister, daughter, and cousin.

Moral beings would not have sexual relations with relatives they find attractive. But immoral beings would. But it is natural for the Gods just how it is natural in the animal kingdom.

reply to post by WarJohn


That post is going deep and is awaking the question into my mind: who created the gods if they are unperfect ?




Thruthseek3r

reply to post by WarJohn


What is the difference between mental and psychological? And further, how are mental and psychological types of sexuality? I can understand physical and emotional sexuality, those other two I'm still a bit confused on.

The four relatives make sense from a Western world viewpoint; although, numerous cultures around the world make no distinction between son, daughter, and cousin. Family does not mean what it does in American and Europe in the rest of the world. So I don't know if I fully agree with your theory; although I can see how you arrived at it.

As for the morality of deities...

I never considered them to be physical, fleshy bodies. When ancient religious texts discuss the "offspring" of a particular set of deities, I always thought that it was imbued with a certain amount of metaphor, and creative license. That one needs to use allusion and imagination when working with deities and their "sexual" encounters.

Take, for example...

Enlil and Sud from Sumer. Enlil was the Lord of the Air and represented the Northern Wind. Sud was a grain-goddess, and represented the Southern Wind. When Enlil and Sud were wed, and produced offspring, among others it included Ishkur and Ninurta: the violent storm, and the calm rain. This, when not looked at as relatives having sex, can be seen as a meteorological event. Southern and Northern fronts meet: warm and cool air. From their coupling arise storm fronts. Sometimes violent (like Ishkur), and other times soothing (like Ninurta). Enlil and Sud (who becomes Ninlil, the Lady of the Air) were personifications of weather phenomenon (among other things).

As another example from Sumer...

Utu was the Lord of Righteousness, and the personification of the sun. Aya, his wife (sometimes called Sherida) was the personification of the dawn. Utu wed Aya and "rose in her each morning." This is not necessarily a sexual innuendo (although it can be seen as such), but a statement on the Sun rising with the Dawn: Utu rising in Aya. Their child was Nusku, the Lord of Fire. Fire, to the ancients, was a sign of strength, power, protection, and illumination. Utu (the sun) also was a sign of justice, protection, power, and illumination. Nusku was the child of Utu and Aya because the Dawn brought the Sun, and the Sun brought Light and Fire to the world. All creative metaphor.

For a third example...

Ptah was an Egyptian Creator, who would use his Heart and his Tongue to create physical forms before him. His Heart was given the name Horus, and his Tongue the name Thoth. What you have here is another clever analogy to ideas and creativity which can be fostered and cultivated by hard work and dedication. Horus (the Heart) was the god of Pharaohs, the champion of Egypt who's dedication and loyalty to a cause helped end the struggle between Upper and Lower Egypt, creating the first United Egyptian country. Thoth (the Tongue) was the deity who presided over inspiration, wisdom, and invention. What Ptah's creation mythology is saying, really, is that dedication to a cause, an idea, and perseverance to uphold and defend it, is what allowed for the creation of Egypt.

Much of the mythology of the ancient world can fit this molding; while much of the "age of reason" (Greek, Roman, Christian, and so on) does not necessarily apply, because the cerebral element in those mythologies greatly outweighed the element of awe, wonder, and mystery which was found in earlier religious and cult devotion.

Just another angle for you to explore these things from, of course.

~ Wandering Scribe

I think Gods were more or less just used to explain things, even though its fantasy. Back then, religion was sumthing of a science(albeit a primitive form of it). Hell, if u could read the stars, ur future was much determined by some cultures.

Some Gods were all bout sex and fertility, or agriculture like rain gods. Other Gods could of been more authoritarian and just set laws and rules. Usually these kinda of Gods were sky-father gods due to the sky being so omniscient since it everywhere( Ra, Zeus, Odin, Mono-Gods & others). There are also a few Gods in different pantheons who were just meant to cast judgement in the after life such as Hades from greek, and Osiris from Egytian.

Really Gods were nothing more then figment of the imagination.

reply to post by Specimen


There's so much more to the origin and evolution of gods than how you presented them here. Their reality aside, through an understanding of deities, we can come to a much fuller understanding of our ancestors, and the cultures off of which our modern one are born. Like your use of Osiris, who you say only served as a functionary, someone who judged the dead in the Afterlife.

Are you aware that Osiris was a Pharaoh, specifically, the mythological First Pharaoh? Just as an Emperor in China or Rome, the Dalai Lama of Tibet, or the Pope in the Vatican, believe that their offices were endowed by Divine Mandate, so did the ancient Pharaohs of Egypt.

As well, just as with Emperors, Lamas, and Popes, the Pharaoh also served a legal or state-function as well, specifically, the unification of Upper (southern) and Lower (northern) Egypt. Just as the Dalai Lama unites all of the sects of Buddhism which accept his divinity, and the Emperors of China and Rome united all conquered lands under a single authority, and the Pope heads the universality of Catholicism, the Pharaoh brought together the peoples' of divided Egypt.

The myth of Osiris and Isis outlines this process in the slaying of Osiris by his brother, Set, and the rise of Horus who defeats his uncle and initiates the Pharaonic line.

You also, interestingly, have a tie-in to seasonal elements, because Osiris was slain and resurrected during the myth. Not only is this a precursor for the Christian myths regarded Jesus, but it served as an explanation for the reincarnation of the Divine Soul (Horus), even though the physical body died (the Pharaoh). When the Pharaoh passed, the soul of the deity would dis-incarnate, and reincarnate as the next Pharaoh. Very similar to particular elements of the myths regarding the Dalai Lama, whose soul is believed to be the same, from one physical body to the next.

All of the things I have just discussed above have precedence in modern religious systems and monarchies. Yet, the Pharaonic cult of Egypt came and went thousands of years before modern Buddhism, or the empires of China, or even the Vatican and Catholicism. There's a reason that the same type of royal system is still in use in the modern day though, and it's because something about it rings true with the population of the planet; something about divine nature and everlasting authority resonates within us as a species.

And I didn't even touch on the afterlife, and how, or why, that might have developed out of the Mysteries of Osiris and the Cult of Death.

The philosophy of gods offers us so much more than just "primitive science." We just need the patience and wherewithal to actually delve into the divine personality.

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by WarJohn


Well the evidence for devils are exorcisms, they appears to be spirits possibly, because when communicated with they talk of spirits of people.

To get to the brighter side of things, the gods are didn't come from Greece as many people would think, they came from the land of Sumer, meaning 'to watch over.' It is translation that the term god or divine one also means 'to watch over.'

Now of course mainstream scientists are debating this today, as we know time changes a lot through history. A little less than 6,000 years ago the first people to ever create a writing system that we know of told a grand legend. It is very true that the early bible was written around stories that came from these people, the most prominent being the great flood. This culture translated the sky to mean 'heaven.' The gods were called the Annunaki, which means 'the ones who came from heaven.' The bible also mentions the Nephilim meaning giants. So basically, these 'people' have left behind evidence that they were giants with space travel, not only because of the ancient pyramids and all the things being found on earth to show they were earth, but because the ancient Sumerians had detailed our solar system and one thing after another was proven to be correct by modern science in the last couple 100 years.

Both in the bible and Sumerian text it says that these beings created man from the hominids on earth. So you have the first civilization looking up to real beings who have visited earth in what they called a 12th planet. But, they depicted the 12th planet as a glowing cross in the sky so in modern times we can assume it was an incredibly large UFO as big as a small planet. So by 5,000 years ago you have civilization wondering about who are used to the possibility of greater beings on earth, so everything to them becomes a god. This is the dawn of paganism and ultimately a lot of confusion, but Greek gods hold the number 12 because the Sumerians counted 12 planets including the one the Annunaki came from, it all goes back to a people claiming they were visited by the 12th planet and the visitors taught them how to cultivate and have leadership as kings.

reply to post by greyer


Actually, the Sumerian term for "god" was dingir, a composite word, which combined the terms di which means "decision," and gar which means "to deliver." So the actual translation of "god," or dingir in Sumerian would be "one who delivers a decision," and not "to watch over."

The term Šumeru, which is what the Assyrians called the Sumerians, also meant "land of the kings," or "native land;" while Anunnaki meant "those of royal blood," or "children of Anu" and neither term had anything to do with watching over.

Further, the Anunnaki, or the Great Gods, were a series of earth-deities who oversaw the function and offices of the earth. They included deities like:

Enlil, who controlled the Northern wind, and ruled all the Anunnaki.
Nudimmud/Enki, who controlled the sweet waters and created humans.
Ninmah/Ninhursag, who controlled the fertility of the earth.
Nanna, who served as the moon, and a god of time
Utu, who served as the sun, and a god of wealth
Inanna, who served as the fertilizing power behind grain and crops
Sud/Ninlil, who controlled the Southern wind.
Ninazimua/Nanše, who oversaw legal rights and justice
Nanibgal/Nisaba, who was in charge of keeping records and teaching Cuneiform
Ereškigal, who was in charge of the Irkalla, an Underworld palace
Ninib/Ninurta, who was the warrior-farmer of the Sumerians
Iškur, who brought the torrential rains of spring and summer (and the Flood)
Ningal, who was in charge of the fecundity of herds and the marshlands

And a great deal more. They were not from the Heavens, nor were they aliens, or any of the things which you suggested.

You've been watching too much "Ancient Aliens," and reading too many books by Zecharia Sitchin and David Icke I think.

~ Wandering Scribe

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Yea, I find it awesome how many different God do share many similarities with other cultures, and also that there are cultures that probably would not have known that they existed. Funny as to how mentioned Osiris as a precursor for Jesus due to him dying and being resurrected. No I was not aware that the Pharaoh was supposed to be the incarnation of Osiris, I had always believed it to be Ra.

There are many societies that had believed that their main figure head was in fact the Incarnation of a God or to be the physical manifestation of it. Like the Pope for example, I recall hearing that they are usually declared the physical embodiment of Jesus. This is no different then oriental emperors, believing that they were Incarnations of Dragons, which was the symbol of divinity for that part of the world.
It what many people would call the Pyramid system, or a pecking order among our species. Being conditioned by superstitious priests and elders has been apart of civilization from the earliest records.

The belief in Gods has done much for us, as well as negatives. It has always had a impact on our art, and even our earliest philosophies. It established the first laws also.

It started as knowledge of understanding the universe, which eventually led to science being made although the two definitely don''t get along these days. Even many of the revolutionary scientists had belief in a God or some religious belief. Einstein eventually became quite religious after the first nuclear bomb, and Oppenheimer uses a quote from a sanskrit.

Also I'm pretty sure Darwin had his belief in God, cause the other scientist they felt that God was the designer and they wanted to figure out how he did create. However he couldn't relate it at all and even mention God or risk being executed for blasphemy. Even though he was kinda of the reason as to what killed God. Or pretty much creationism.

Originally posted by WarJohn
What in all are they?

A name.
A title.
Infinite.
Good luck.
First.
Eternal.
Four sexualities.
A self; an ego.
Four relatives.


How many Gods exist?

Two. And one of the two also goes by Goddess. Goddess is like unto God. Goddess is able to make love with God.

What are the Gods for?

Paradise.

What is the mark received in their fetish or in their sexualities?

Immorality.

And so what also are the Gods?

Devils!

These two Gods/Devils are, both, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond.

And these two might buy or sell abominations between each other. Therefore they are also each other's friend and enemy.

I read your threads....for what that is worth.

I hear you.

but no one hears me, despire the fact I have lost my ego, as they told me to do....


This is not the thread you wrote, but I wish to talk about your assessment of babylon....
N. person, place or thing

Babylon

IF, what happened in that place, but was not OF THAT PLACE.....

what's in a name, really?

we are in a place and times, where this is truly indecipherable........

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
You've been watching too much "Ancient Aliens," and reading too many books by Zecharia Sitchin and David Icke I think.

~ Wandering Scribe

The fact that you mention David and Zecharia in the same sentence means you do Not know what you are talking about. What is your source Wiki? You are a credit of disinformation to the innocent skeptical minds of this thread. There is no way that so many people who are scholars can tell me one thing and you come along on this forum and say one other thing I have not heard before. If you believe the text books you are ignorant.

reply to post by WarJohn


1 thing I certainly learned today that was out in bold - the very dawn of ancient Eygptian civilation was not pagan, it was monothiestic.

I stand by Zecharia Sitchin's case - that the early gods were nothing but the planets of our solar system and also, sorry to say, ancient aliens.

Remember it is people like the heads of society and free masons who like to keep secrets, not scholars like Zecharia Sitchin.

You don't have the demigods in there. Once those two gods rose to power and in exchange for power everyone accepted them as the supreme gods, so they became demigods because they uphold the gods power structure.

Now those two supreme gods have entertainment you couldn't believe. They have like 100+ billion channels to choose from, almost an infinite cosmic play. The lower demigods select the subjects, then practice with them for a play, then the upper gods dress them up and do the final rehearsements and then the final product goes to the supreme gods who then play the act first then it becomes truly real, not semireal with the other gods and certainly not the make believe of mortals. Once they are done with it can be done by the other gods. Now all plays are just variations on the same themes but what makes them keep doing it forever is because to them it all feels good, much like an eternal drug.

Much like only needing food to get by, if there was a house with an eternal supply of delicious food, they would be there eating and waiting until the next food is produced because there isn't anything better out there and even in case of famine, they would just go back to their bed and sleep forever. Only when true food appears in their dream is when they wake up again and the whole thing goes on again like it never stopped.