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Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by vkey08
the one she owns with Charles Miller, convicted, and admitted, fraudster?
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by fourthmeal
reply to post by OneisOne
Great question. Yes, it appears the original trust was gifted to her, Caleb, and Randal. No money has changed hands as I understand it, and there is no money that is allocated to running this. In a statement made last night on air, Heather answered someone's question about this very thing. She said that no money is accepted for this, no donation allowed, and they do all their filings, investigations, and operations completely out of their own pocket.
There are many, many trusts out there, some on record and some not. I'm still learning and waiting for more data on the original 1776 Trust, which is important for me to understand all of this.
So, any rebuttal?
If you want people to take any of this seriously, one of the first things that you are going to have to do is show us that this theory is successful in court. You need to show us a court case or judicial decision that supports your claims that the OPPT (or similar movements) have been successful in achieving their goal. It would be foolish for anyone just to take it at face value and say "Ok, cool, it works!" without seeing evidence of that.
Nevermind all the "scam" stuff, nevermind the accusations going back and forth. If you are unable to show us that any evidence that this has succeeded in court, how can you expect us to be accepting of this whole idea?
In the standard version, the experts answer questionnaires in two or more rounds. After each round, a facilitator provides an anonymous summary of the experts’ forecasts from the previous round as well as the reasons they provided for their judgments. Thus, experts are encouraged to revise their earlier answers in light of the replies of other members of their panel. It is believed that during this process the range of the answers will decrease and the group will converge towards the "correct" answer. Finally, the process is stopped after a pre-defined stop criterion (e.g. number of rounds, achievement of consensus, stability of results) and the mean or median scores of the final rounds determine the results.[2]
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by fourthmeal
I haven't called anybody a name, period. I do not resort to ad-hominem, even when attacked personally. I DO however call people out on their actions, and let their own judgements come from that. Do not misconstrue my intentions.
Wow, you just don't get it, do you?
I hate to say this because I do not like to judge anyone, ever... but you are not proving to be competent.
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You're not calling VKey incompetent?
It is sickening in a literal way, to see people who think they are properly informed, listen to supposed intelligent and independent thinking upstanding members of this community, put up such crap.
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Your syntax is unclear, but it sure looks like you are calling someone improperly informed and/or unintelligent.
You have it right, mostly. Now, if you can do it without bleeding sarcasm and hate, that would be quite an accomplishment.
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Okay, I'll be fair. Accusing someone of hatred isn't exactly calling them a name.
You have a lot of nerve (and folly) in immediately discounting someone with the credentials such as this Captain.
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But let's agree that calling someone arrogant and foolish is name calling.
Yep presumptions and damnation of others through preconceived notions of topics they know nothing about.
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Anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. Sounds like name calling to me.
There have been some seriously aggressive DELPHI approaches made here, and most of us aware folk see right through it.
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You still haven't explained what DELPHI is, but I think we can all agree that this statement was not meant as a compliment.
Can you possibly contribute to this thread without immediately being derogatory and judgmental?
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On the rare occasions that you do answer a direct question, why do you couple it with accusations like this?
It is with this that I know you are incompetent to carry on this discussion.
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I could go on, but I think the point has been made. Again, in fairness, I think everyone here has gotten the false impression that you sling epithets and make negative innuendos more than you do because your literary style is so similar to that of others on this thread. Indeed, the similarities of spelling, capitalization, formatting and so forth are striking. In short:
Edit to add:
Judgement of someone ALWAYS proves to me a mirror of your own imperfections.
Wow. Just, wow.edit on 22-2-2013 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)edit on 22-2-2013 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by vkey08
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by fourthmeal
reply to post by OneisOne
Great question. Yes, it appears the original trust was gifted to her, Caleb, and Randal. No money has changed hands as I understand it, and there is no money that is allocated to running this. In a statement made last night on air, Heather answered someone's question about this very thing. She said that no money is accepted for this, no donation allowed, and they do all their filings, investigations, and operations completely out of their own pocket.
There are many, many trusts out there, some on record and some not. I'm still learning and waiting for more data on the original 1776 Trust, which is important for me to understand all of this.
So, any rebuttal?
If you want people to take any of this seriously, one of the first things that you are going to have to do is show us that this theory is successful in court. You need to show us a court case or judicial decision that supports your claims that the OPPT (or similar movements) have been successful in achieving their goal. It would be foolish for anyone just to take it at face value and say "Ok, cool, it works!" without seeing evidence of that.
Nevermind all the "scam" stuff, nevermind the accusations going back and forth. If you are unable to show us that any evidence that this has succeeded in court, how can you expect us to be accepting of this whole idea?
Flyswatter: He's given a reason he can't find ONE successful decision, because the foreclosed upon system is hanging on for dear life..
Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by vkey08
someone, not fourthmeal, also mentioned, in defense of the guy claiming his child/machine someone else's child machine, was foreclosed upon or something, that foreclosed and dissolved organizations don't have records to be searched because they were dissolved.
I figured he meant physically, which must be how they do it in maritimeromanbiblicalZetan courts because here they have records for everything.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
My accusation of seeing hatred comes from the snide comments thrown in and quick little off-color jokes, as well as the subtle adjectives that serve an agenda of disinfo instead of speaking the truth. These little bits show the true face of the poster. Example, calling someone a loon, a newager with a derogatory slant, all of Vkey's little "reader's digest" comments, calling someone nonsensical, or calling the discussion nonsense.
Originally posted by masta12d
reply to post by vkey08
It funny you say that. He also told me that the recent purchase of NYSE was done by the OPPT and that they were going to disolve it but were going to wait a few weeks, as he stated: "To let everyone have their Christmas". Well Christmas has come and gone and yet everything remains the same.
Originally posted by IsntLifeFunny
Being that this aforementioned individual is a "sovereign" citizen of the United States, he does not have to be parcel to this type of contract.