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A group of Arizona politicians — all Republicans, of course — have proposed a law (House Bill 2467) requiring public high school students to recite the following oath in order to graduate:
"I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,....so help me god"
"I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,....so help me god"
meh, the Atheists don't mind telling people they can't celebrate their Christmas traditions, so screw em!!
Besides, if they don't believe in God, then what's the big deal? Say it, get your diploma and be on with life......
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
meh, the Atheists don't mind telling people they can't celebrate their Christmas traditions, so screw em!!
When you start bitchin about how other people live, don't belly ache and whine when things don't go your way!
Besides, if they don't believe in God, then what's the big deal?
www.judeofascism.com...
Due to the Jewish-run-and-funded ACLU creating a Supreme Court legal precedent allowing “cultural symbols,” that is JEWISH SYMBOLS, as “constitutional cultural displays” - but Christian symbols, as “unconstitutional religious displays” - the Jews have seized rule over religious expression in the public square]
Originally posted by Krazysh0t
The title of the article (and by extension your thread) is misleading. That is the very same oath I said when I joined the military. It is the same oath that the President says before taking office. It says nothing about your religious beliefs only that you will uphold the Constitution. Should the "so help me God" part have been left out? Probably, but this article is focusing entirely on this one line like just by saying it, affirms your belief in God. This looks like political pandering to me.
Oath of Enlistment
Army Regulation 601-210, Active and Reserve Components Enlistment Program provides that:
A commissioned officer of any service will administer the Oath of Enlistment in DD Form 4 orally, in English, to each application. Make a suitable arrangement to ensure that the oath is administered in a dignified manner and in proper surroundings. display the U.S. flag prominently near the officer giving the oath. The words "So help me God" may be omitted for persons who desire to affirm rather than to swear to the oath.
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
You do realize the history of oaths???
Oaths were merely a formality to ensure "legally" that a person could be taken at their word for what they were saying. The concept being, that if they were swearing on a higher power or something sacred to them that they would more or less be honest in said taking of that oath?????
So therefore, the whole swearing to God, is only applicable to those who actually believe in HIM/HER/OR OTHER..........
Bottom line, if Athiests do not believe in God, then the oath is meaningless!!! Do some studying on the history of oaths before you get your panties in an uproar.
I am more offended to the fact that a State government is requiring and oath to a young adult for something they worked hard to get and already have earned, thus holding the diploma hostage over some ridiculous oath!!!
***Update***: While the bill still includes the God language, Think Progress reports that it may be revised:
As written, the bill does not exempt atheist students or those of different faiths from the requirement, though Thorpe has pledged to amend the measure. “In that we had a tight deadline for dropping our bills, I was not able to update the language,” he wrote in an e-mail to the Arizona Republic. “Even though I want to encourage all of our students to understand and respect our Constitution and constitutional form of government, I do not want to create a requirement that students or parents may feel uncomfortable with.”
So it’s possible alternative language may solve the atheist problem, but *requiring* students to take the oath still poses a host of constitutional issues. Another option would be to make the oath optional, but that would make this bill completely irrelevant.