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Originally posted by Greatest I am
If death is good for believers who do look forward to something after death, why do they not suicide and reap the benefits.
Suicide is not sin as Jesus did just that.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by eleven44
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by eleven44
reply to post by Greatest I am
Animals can not sin.
They didn't eat from the Tree of Knowledge and therefore do not judge right from wrong or claim to know better than God.
They are not separated from God and therefore cannot act outside of God or deny God.
"Death" is not a physical death. Death, in this sense, is the souls inability to fully reunite with God. One will die again and again and again (reincarnation), but will not remember any past lives or their connection to The source until the soul has become enlightened and rises from the ashes (like a phoenix, so to speak) and consciously reunites with God.
Some believe that once the soul has been enlightened we form a 'merkaba,' or an energy field around us, which will safely transport us at the time of physical death to the next dimension where we will retain all memory of past lives and lessons learned.
So why did God destroy the animals if they could not sin?
Regards
DL
What's your definition of 'destroyed'?
Physical death is not a destruction, it is a return, a homecoming. It is a cycle. They will be reborn again, eventually. We simply will wake from this dream into another one.
You can not destroy energy.
Originally posted by eleven44
And, Jesus came to show us that Humans ARE capable of attaining everlasting life while on earth in human form. .
Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Cuervo
The Bible speaks specifically of animals in heaven. Just because "most theologians" agree on something does not make it so. We can either believe that what scripture says is true or we can not believe it. It really is as simple as that.
Physical death is a product of nature. It is a cycle as another poster mentioned. It has nothing to do with sin. Spiritual death, on the other hand, is a direct result of sin. And to I AM- yes my opinion IS in fact of the majority.
Originally posted by micmerci
"Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."
Romans 8:21-22
This verse alone shows that all creatures will enter into the glorious liberty of the children of God. What do you think that may be?
ETA: Another- "God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom."
Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21edit on 4-10-2012 by micmerci because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by stupid girl
reply to post by Greatest I am
Yes, our physical bodies die. But our soul was not meant for death, however unrequited sin is the death of the soul.
Originally posted by Hillarie
Animals can't sin. Sin means doing what your conscience tell you not to. Animals do what their nature tells them to. I just had one experience of 'sin' with an animal. My cat got mad at me and I saw him deliberately put out one claw, take aim and sink it into my arm. I've never seen anything like it before or since. It was creepy.
Originally posted by ahnggk
Originally posted by Greatest I am
If death is good for believers who do look forward to something after death, why do they not suicide and reap the benefits.
Suicide is not sin as Jesus did just that.
Regards
DL
Suicide is when a pretty girl dumps you, you jump from the 10th floor or tie a stone to your neck and jump to the river or you put a gun to your head, or you slit your wrists.
But yes, we do 'suicide' of some sort...
When we got reborn of the Spirit, the death of our flesh has begun, the end of life, literally! We no longer strive for comfort of our bodies, it has become nothing! When we used to get the best things we can afford, now we get the cheapest, ugliest things possible so we can give more in doing the Will of the Father.
There's more! Notice how the most desperate, war-torn, poorest, most dangerous places never hears the Gospel because everyone is too cowardly, love their lives too much. We brave these places too!
As a true Christian, mortality is very high! sooner or later you'll get killed, tribulation time or not....I bet only very few understands what I'm saying and think I'm just joking!!
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
You have to know the difference between right and wrong before you can sin. Animals, babies, toddlers, mentally handicapped and retarded people are excluded.
Now i must do this:
Originally posted by drevill
Hello
the wages of sin of death.
1 John 3:4. Sin is the transgression of the law. The law given to man. Ergo animals cannot sin.
No one can say if animals do or do not have a conscience its speculation.
Regards
Originally posted by stupid girl
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
And I think I will add one of my personal faves:
which I reserve for only those select few who wander into the abyss of utter absurdity.
Such as the above insinuation that Jesus committed suicide.
Really, there just are no words that could do justice.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Animals do not Sin what they do is done to survive. Humans sin because we have the power of thought to create labels. Once a label is created we begin to worship it. The worship becomes an obssession that becomes the justifer for doing Sin. Sin that will even hurt loved ones because the label justified it.
Can you survive without sinning or doing evil?
I do not think so.
Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.
Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.
Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.
Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.
There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue.
This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.