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Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by johngrissom
a mass killing in public areas every week
Mass killings are more often than not done by a person or a group of religious extremists...or a religion is a factor in the killings.
Those that need a book to tell them that it's not OK to kill a person...shouldn't be out walking free.
Originally posted by johnwilkesbooth
reply to post by johngrissom
I wasn't going by sub-groups, sir. I know there are Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Orthodox, etc. But by definition Christianity is a person who believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's it. So I was trying to cover a more broad spectrum.
What I was trying to say was, no one has the right to tell anyone to believe or not to believe. Let them live their life and in the end, if you were right and God sorts us out, then so be it. "God loves all of his children."
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by borntowatch
Atheists don't have a standard ?
I'm sort of an atheist...I have standards...they are called:
peace, harmony, compassion, love and tolerance.
Don't need any book or higher spiritual authority to make me be that way. If you spend time to think about the world and yourself as an individual, these things come naturally to any sane person able to add 2 and 2 together. I don't need to be afraid of the God or the rapture or the final judgement to be a good person. I just choose to be. No fear, no threats, no promise of everlasting paradise...no end game. Being good because it's the right thing to do.
I dare to proclaim, had I ever been more involved with the religions, I would not have been as free as I feel today. I have never loved people more than I do now.
I have broken off the religious path in my elementary school days...best decision of my life.
edit on 3-10-2012 by MarioOnTheFly because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by johngrissom
reply to post by johnwilkesbooth
Originally posted by johnwilkesbooth
First of all, *than.
Secondly, I'll assume you're a radical Christian. I'm not atheist, I used to think I am, but luckily I found my religion and it's helped me a lot along life's path.
Well, Christian. If Christians are so nice, please do explain "The Crusades". Where mobs of Christians just went around and killed anyone that didn't believe. Do explain the Salem Witch Trials where anyone accused of even the slightest difference was killed.
Now it's not all Christians faults, how about it's close cousins; Muslim and Judaism. Thousands of Muslims are killed each day for their beliefs and 6,000,000 Jewish folk were killed in the holocaust. All because of beliefs.
So is it wrong for Atheists to NOT have beliefs?
By the way, I'm Pagan and to my knowledge no one has died in the name of Paganism.
I'm pretty sure the Protestants hung the witches at Salem. Catholics burn witches, while Protestants hang.
The Crusades we're Catholics, with the goal of returning Christian access to the holy sites in Jerusalem. The Crusades have way too much secrecy behind them. Most claim it was to actually retrieve the holy artifacts of Jesus. Really don't have much in common with Christians besides the fact, that they killed in the name of God, But on the other hand...a lot of people we're Christian during the KKK rallies.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. You have your Shiites and the Sunni, both read the Koran but have very different beliefs. Same goes for Christians and Baptists. Nothing has really changed between the two. The media just likes to show other wise.
The Jews we're an easy target my an economic torn Germany. Going after the Muslims wouldn't have been very helpful in Hilter's persuading of Germany. In fact, Hitler actually blamed the killing of Jesus on the Jews and that was actually a huge persuasion factor during WW2 because the main religion at the time in German was Protestant.
Before anyone rips on me Protestant and Christianity are two different religions with different rules.
I am sure Mao killed more people than all the religions ever did and he was an atheist.
Your argument is childish
The problem then is why cant Christians have a standard they choose and apply it to themselves like the atheist do. I get it, many Christians fail, as do atheists, but why are we judged so harshly and atheists are not judged at all.
I am sure Mao killed more people than all the religions ever did and he was an atheist Your argument is childish
I've been in a foxhole when explosives were being dropped. So how about we not use cliched terms to justify your own beliefs. It's a nonsensical statement that holds no true weight. Believe what you like, but don't tell me there are no atheists in foxholes.Been there, done that.
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by borntowatch
True story: My oldest daughter is an Atheist and has been since around age 13-14 (she is now 24). When my grandaughter was born she was premature, had under-developed lungs, and her heart would just stop sometimes. They put her in Neo-natal I.C.U. My daughter was beside herself with worry and asked me what she should do. I told her that whether she believed in God or not that she should pray for her baby- just in case she was wrong and that he really was there and listening. And you know what? She did!
Grandbaby is two and a half now and keeps me on my toes. Point to this story is when push comes to shove and there is nowhere else to turn sometimes Atheists concede that there really could be a God. There is an old saying that I have found to be true:
There are no Atheists in foxholes!
reply to post by borntowatch
Atheists dont have a standard law or moral standard other than what is forced upon them by secular society.
reply to post by johngrissom
For one: I said a TRUE CHRISTIAN would have not shot up a school.
Originally posted by borntowatch
The problem then is why cant Christians have a standard they choose and apply it to themselves like the atheist do. I get it, many Christians fail, as do atheists, but why are we judged so harshly and atheists are not judged at all.
Originally posted by borntowatch
So a Christian doesnt support homosexuality and thats bad, yet an atheists who states as much is ok HYPOCRITES
Originally posted by ChristianJihad
reply to post by borntowatch
Atheists dont have a standard law or moral standard other than what is forced upon them by secular society.
Thank you very much but I have my own morals and when we get down to the nitty my own morals are far superior to that of your invisble man that lives in the sky.
No doubt if you could have your way I would have your so called standards forced upon me just like the good old days when those that didn't bow down to your invisble man were tortured and killed for it by people such as yourself whith claiming the moral high ground.
Why do xtians find it necassary to loiter in the halls of a "conspiracy" website of all places ready to pounce on a troll box and spew out drivel ? Is your faith so week ? Does no one listen to you at church or home ?
You allow some books written centuries ago by some men you have never even met about alleged incidents they didn't even witness or have evidence they even occured, dictate your morals !!!!
How foolish is that my friend, to hand your mind on a plate to someone else?
Clearly reying to nudge the subject of homosexuality into your rant appears to hint at a deeper issue that perhaps troubles you. Having had a few homosexual thoughts bounce around your vacuous cranium by any chance ? Need to attack gay people in order to purge yourself of these demonic ideas that have blighted you out of nowhere ?
Ah, your post instantly brings to mind this guy, anything in common ?
Remember my friend, just like Ted said "You don't even have to think" seems like you are heeding his advice.
Originally posted by 001ggg100
reply to post by Arsenis
Actually, Atheism IS a belief... A Religo-tard believes there is a deity, whereas an Atheist believes that there isn't... Either way, it is a belief system...