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Originally posted by penninja
Your not addressing the reality entirely fairly
Video 1:
That's a drunk teenager, he's holding a bottle, obviously whacked and there is no reference point as to what was said to him to set him off in the first place. And it's a singular kid,
Originally posted by penninja
Video 2:
Here's the one that matters, In Iran THESE SORTS ARE IN CHARGE, they run things.
If these guys get in charge in Israel even as a Jew I'd be the first to say something has to be done about them possessing a bomb immediately, they are CRAZY, it would suck if nice normal moderate Jews got killed in the process but this simply can't be allowed i'd want the same 4 carrier battle groups parked off the coast
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
--Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."-Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."
"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.
Has Iran's military ever actively engaged targets outside of Iran, with the exception of the Iran/Iraq war (that we gave weapons to Iraq to fight.. more "proxies" for ya).
A senior commander in Iran's Revolutionary Guards has admitted that Iranian forces are operating in Syria in support of Bashar al-Assad's regime.
Ismail Gha'ani, the deputy head of Iran's Quds force, the arm of the Revolutionary Guards tasked with overseas operations, said in an interview with the semi-official Isna news agency: "If the Islamic republic was not present in Syria, the massacre of people would have happened on a much larger scale."
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It warned Israel that if the fighting in Syria does not stop, an all-out attack on the Jewish state will be launched and that at zero hour, Tel Aviv will be the first city to be destroyed.
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Originally posted by DerekJR321
If you want to talk about proxy wars, lets talk about the Mossad's assassination of Iranian scientists. If the reverse was done, Israel would be screaming bloody murder and would be arming their planes immediately.
Originally posted by talklikeapirat
The administration in Iran has no problem to admit that Iranian millitary force are actively engaged in Syria, so why do you?
A senior commander in Iran's Revolutionary Guards has admitted that Iranian forces are operating in Syria in support of Bashar al-Assad's regime.
Ismail Gha'ani, the deputy head of Iran's Quds force, the arm of the Revolutionary Guards tasked with overseas operations, said in an interview with the semi-official Isna news agency: "If the Islamic republic was not present in Syria, the massacre of people would have happened on a much larger scale."
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Originally posted by talklikeapirat
The Iranian Government has also made absolutely clear what actions they will take, when they feel their strategic interests in the region are threatend.
It warned Israel that if the fighting in Syria does not stop, an all-out attack on the Jewish state will be launched and that at zero hour, Tel Aviv will be the first city to be destroyed.
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Originally posted by talklikeapirat
You have warmongers on all sides and each of them accuses the other.
What would be your solution?
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by DerekJR321
If you want to talk about proxy wars, lets talk about the Mossad's assassination of Iranian scientists. If the reverse was done, Israel would be screaming bloody murder and would be arming their planes immediately.
Sure. Im aware that Mossad assassinates foreign nationals all the time. I can admit that, and yes, i think its bordering on an act of war. See? I can admit Israel attacks others. You cant admit the opposite. Your idea of argueing everything is by saying "But Israel does it! But USA does it!".
Doesnt mean Iran doesnt.
Originally posted by abdel
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
He believes in murdering homosexuals. That's my problem with him. He's also a complete lunatic who really shouldn't be in control of ANY nation, let alone one in a unrestful region.
However, the international flaming of Iran for its nuclear intentions is uncalled for, disgraceful,hypocritical, and childish. I also don't believe Ahmedinejad is a threat to our security whatsoever (unless we attack Iran).
Ahmadinejad is certainly homophobic as most of the clerics in Iran are, but as for murdering them, I don't know.
I have heard the stories but haven't seen any proof as yet (admittedly it would be difficult to provide). If you are concerned about the murder of gays try looking towards Jamaica or Nigeria, killing gays is commonplace in their countries.edit on 27-9-2012 by abdel because: spelling like an American
Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
He believes in murdering homosexuals. That's my problem with him. He's also a complete lunatic who really shouldn't be in control of ANY nation, let alone one in a unrestful region.
However, the international flaming of Iran for its nuclear intentions is uncalled for, disgraceful,hypocritical, and childish. I also don't believe Ahmedinejad is a threat to our security whatsoever (unless we attack Iran).
And Barack Obama, and Benji are sound minded individuals....??
Originally posted by DerekJR321
And as far as aggression is concerned.. did Iran attack Israel? No
Originally posted by furono
Originally posted by Starchildren
Originally posted by Fromabove
I would charge Iran with...
1. Crimes against humanity
2. War crimes
3. Genocide
4. Persecution of Christians and Jews and other non Islamic faiths
5. Sex abuse and discrimination against women.
6. Oppression of homosexuals
7. Aiding international terrorism
8. possession of WMD with the threat to use it
9. Threatening the existence of a free and independent nation (Israel, America).
It just goes on and on and on........
That sounds like the United States of America. Sure you don't have your countries mixed up there?
Not really. Sure, ok YEARS ago, some could apply but America grew and changed, Middle East stays in the dark ages never changing or growing mentally.
Stoning people to death.
Forcing women to cover faces and unequal laws toward women,
Homosexuality a crime.
Encouraging kids and grown ups to blow themselves up thinking that they go on to be saints.
Women can't drive.
Women killed if they have an affair.
The general population thinking it's ok to kill innocent human beings over a cause. ** Yes I think American government thinks it's ok to do this, but not the population. That's what makes us different and is key.
the list goes on and on....
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by abdel
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
He believes in murdering homosexuals. That's my problem with him. He's also a complete lunatic who really shouldn't be in control of ANY nation, let alone one in a unrestful region.
However, the international flaming of Iran for its nuclear intentions is uncalled for, disgraceful,hypocritical, and childish. I also don't believe Ahmedinejad is a threat to our security whatsoever (unless we attack Iran).
Ahmadinejad is certainly homophobic as most of the clerics in Iran are, but as for murdering them, I don't know.
I have heard the stories but haven't seen any proof as yet (admittedly it would be difficult to provide). If you are concerned about the murder of gays try looking towards Jamaica or Nigeria, killing gays is commonplace in their countries.edit on 27-9-2012 by abdel because: spelling like an American
I do know. LGBT community is highly discriminated against by the government of Iran. Many are punished and at times, executed.
Protesters are also executed within the country. The government of Iran is an oppressive one and needs to be reformed...however, it isn't our job to do such a thing. It is up to the people of Iran..if they ever have another "clean" and "fair" election.
Originally posted by penninja
Well then lets get down to a lot more of the Nitty Gritty of the truth
Starting with the first 2 points which are good enough by themselves
1: Iran is a THEOCRACY and the nature of the Theocracy REQUIRES an End Times like scenario to usher in their salvation. That's why Nukes are a bad idea, there is NO check for the Ayatollahs orders if they are insane.
2: It is our business, when slavery ended it was a world wide phenomena, rights for women, non persecution by orientation is in the same vein of GLOBAL HUMAN RIGHTS and this makes them a ROUGE NATION, period.
3: The philosophy of Islam is not conducive to Global population control. NONE OF US LIKE THIS, No one likes China One child policy, no one likes Monsanto Wheat intentional fertility purge... among many other methods. But Europe, China, All of East Asia, North America, Russia, much of South America by and Large India and even some Muslim countries Like Turkey and Pakistan Have this UNDER CONTROL.
The bottom line is if the population increases beyond technologies capacity to sustain it WE ALL CAN DIE, any nation not in compliance will be attacked. If we fall and it's not us you can bet your arse some other nation will play bad cop.
4: OIL, America had all the oil it needed with Iraq, it is blatantly obvious that the USA is securing the OIL for China and to a lesser degree India, for all the bluster the major nations of the world want this, they don't really care how this works out, that's why you see the USA actually supporting the Taliban again sometimes, a regional caliphate is fine if it's STABLE none of the other nations in the ME want Iran ruling the Islamic world, OR we can as a last resort just turn the region to a sea of glass.
So long as the OIL is not in the hands of 20 nations but one governing stable body that is a global player, CHINA and INDIA must continue to modernize or the world economy collapses, they need Oil assurance in a MASSIVE way.
5: The marginalization of ALL religion, the only threat to Global government is religion.
# 1-5 Why? NWO, Global Government. Iran, Venezuela, NK... and ANY other nation not on board will be destroyed
So let's be honest all points break down to NWO, GLOBAL ECONOMY AND GOVERNMENT... and honestly, it's a GOOD THING, we need to survive as a species, we need to get off this rock, we have to have a steady population an Economy, avoid global Nuclear war, be able to provide food for everyone
And yeah, the guys NOT on board because ALLAH should be in charge are idiots following an insane dogma.