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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by BIHOTZ
He never sought accreditation. He was really against it. It would have been worthless to him to have a plaque, belt or title. He wanted to teach...`period.
If he had been accredited he would have been given a high rank.
This is the sort of excuses or 'spin' that i have mentioned. When i used to do Wing Chun they would hold Bruce up as an example of how NOT to do things.
Bruce had a bit of a problem with seeing things through to the end. Many things in his life were left unfinished , his training , his schooling and many film projects.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Bruce Lee was a martial arts actor who did not really become famous until after he died. Since then the people who have the rights to all his movies have spent millions portraying him as on of the greatest martial artist ever. Then just about anyone who wanted to be famous for 5mins chimed in and told their amazing Bruce Lee stories. Most of the stories of his amazing feats were made up by a guy called John Little who made money off writing books about him after he died. The 1 inch punch is a parlor trick. Its all show.
In reality he was an actor with a very small amount of martial art training and skill. He never had any martial arts fights on record. No UFC type bouts. He was simply an actor who was the son of an actor who was the first Asian to try to conquer Hollywood. He tried to start his own Hollywood stunt group up by opening martial arts schools up in the US but they were only teaching his made up screen martial arts because there were no Caucasian martial arts stunt men in the US at the time. JKD was something one of his students thought up after he had died in an attempt to cash in from his name. Most of his famous sayings are taken from the Shaolin monks and not his own at all.
He eventually left the US after having a screaming argument with a producer because he was only getting offered minor roles in films. So he closed the schools down and left. Later he was offered Enter The Dragon ..this was the only US martial arts film he had ever been in.
Bruce Lee was truly a legend..a story based on an idea. What you see in documentaries about him is as much make believe as the film he stared in. Many of his stunts in the film Enter The Dragon were actually done by Jackie Chans brother..go look in the credits. So the clever people who had the right to his films sat down and thought up an excuse for everything , the reason he had to run away to the US after people were trying to kill him , the reason why never had any professional martial arts fights, the reason he never finished his martial arts training in china , the reason the never got a black belt etc etc and successfully built the myth that is crammed down the throats of every teenager who loves martial arts films.
There was no reason to kill Bruce Lee as he was just a little known Asian action actor and Hong Kongs champion Cha-Cha dancer.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by SLAYER69
The Green hornet with him in only ran for 1 year and did not make Bruce famous at the time. He had been acting in normal films since he was a baby. He only made a handful of martial arts films in later life.
I was a martial arts teacher myself an i also researched Bruce Lee extensively for a documentary i was going to make before i got involved in other projects a few years back. Its not an agenda its the result of a lot of research.
Chuck Norris was the real deal , he made history in 1990 when he was the first Westerner in the documented history of Tae Kwon Do to be given the rank of 8th Degree Black Belt Grand Master. Bruce didnt even make it to black sash.
Lots of people grew up thinking that Bruce was an amazing martial artist so its hard for them to think outside the box and see its just a myth made up by people who saw an opportunity to make money off him after he died.
I know you are an intelligent guy SLAYER69 and im sure if you looked into it hard enough you will be able see past the Hollywood created myth
edit on 11-9-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Chuck Norris was the real deal , he made history in 1990 when he was the first Westerner in the documented history of Tae Kwon Do to be given the rank of 8th Degree Black Belt Grand Master. Bruce didnt even make it to black sash.
Bruce Lee was a martial arts actor who did not really become famous until after he died. Since then the people who have the rights to all his movies have spent millions portraying him as on of the greatest martial artist ever.
Then just about anyone who wanted to be famous for 5mins chimed in and told their amazing Bruce Lee stories. Most of the stories of his amazing feats were made up by a guy called John Little who made money off writing books about him after he died. The 1 inch punch is a parlor trick. Its all show.
In reality he was an actor with a very small amount of martial art training and skill.
He never had any martial arts fights on record. No UFC type bouts. He was simply an actor who was the son of an actor
who was the first Asian to try to conquer Hollywood.
He tried to start his own Hollywood stunt group up by opening martial arts schools up in the US but they were only teaching his made up screen martial arts because there were no Caucasian martial arts stunt men in the US at the time.
JKD was something one of his students thought up after he had died in an attempt to cash in from his name. Most of his famous sayings are taken from the Shaolin monks and not his own at all.
He eventually left the US after having a screaming argument with a producer because he was only getting offered minor roles in films. So he closed the schools down and left. Later he was offered Enter The Dragon ..this was the only US martial arts film he had ever been in.
Bruce Lee was truly a legend..a story based on an idea. What you see in documentaries about him is as much make believe as the film he stared in
Many of his stunts in the film Enter The Dragon were actually done by Jackie Chans brother..go look in the credits.
So the clever people who had the right to his films sat down and thought up an excuse for everything , the reason he had to run away to the US after people were trying to kill him
the reason why never had any professional martial arts fights
the reason he never finished his martial arts training in china
he reason the never got a black belt etc etc and successfully built the myth that is crammed down the throats of every teenager who loves martial arts films.
There was no reason to kill Bruce Lee as he was just a little known Asian action actor and Hong Kongs champion Cha-Cha dancer.
Originally posted by Kino321
Chuck Norris was the real deal , he made history in 1990 when he was the first Westerner in the documented history of Tae Kwon Do to be given the rank of 8th Degree Black Belt Grand Master. Bruce didnt even make it to black sash.
no self respecting martial artist would admit to doing tae kwon do.
also bruce lee never had anything to do with tae kwon do.
phoenixOD atleast have a quick look on wikepedia next time.
Originally posted by Kurokage
reply to post by PhoenixOD
You stated he was a Chinese actor and not a real martial artist. But being a Chinese actor at the time evolved learning "Stage" martial arts and wire work, he also had an interest in western boxing and fencing.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Bruce came in with a lot of philosophical ideas about fighting that which seemed revolutionary to westerners but were just a mish-mash of many old ideas that have been knocking around in asia for 1000's of years.
edit on 21-9-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kurokage
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Bruce came in with a lot of philosophical ideas about fighting that which seemed revolutionary to westerners but were just a mish-mash of many old ideas that have been knocking around in asia for 1000's of years.
edit on 21-9-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Man has been fighting man for a lot longer, ideas are always rehashed and renewed.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Originally posted by Kurokage
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Bruce came in with a lot of philosophical ideas about fighting that which seemed revolutionary to westerners but were just a mish-mash of many old ideas that have been knocking around in asia for 1000's of years.
edit on 21-9-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Man has been fighting man for a lot longer, ideas are always rehashed and renewed.
Sure, but the Chinese philosophy of fighting was very new to the western world at that time.
Originally posted by Kurokage
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Originally posted by Kurokage
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Bruce came in with a lot of philosophical ideas about fighting that which seemed revolutionary to westerners but were just a mish-mash of many old ideas that have been knocking around in asia for 1000's of years.
edit on 21-9-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Man has been fighting man for a lot longer, ideas are always rehashed and renewed.
Sure, but the Chinese philosophy of fighting was very new to the western world at that time.
That still doesn't change the amount he influenced martial arts culture.