I can add to infinity

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


So then we all wasted valuable time of our lives on this thread.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


I think you are arguing for 'actual infinity'? But your example is more about 'potential infinity'. Maybe I am wrong and don't understand Aristotle's terms.

Are you basically asserting a belief in eternity?

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


I never asserted it but yes I do believe in eternity. Something cannot come from nothing.

reply to post by btayl26


What makes you say that? I didn't force you to post in this thread so don't be mad at me.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Well it seemed to be implied with what I was reading.

Eternity having neither a beginning nor an end. Infinity has a different understanding in that scope. That's a particular belief that isn't proven. There are different understandings of infinity as a result of that belief and the belief of a beginning.

I myself believe in eternity as well. Still, you example to me seems relevant to the 'potential infinity'.

If I am not making sense I blame myself drinking too much of my avatar.

Something cannot come from nothing.

If the physical universe itself is eternal then it avoids that problem

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


I think I'm talking about both, I'm not sure though.

I'm saying there is potential that actual infinity exists. Does that make sense?

As you can tell, I'm no rocket scientist.

If the physical universe itself is eternal then it avoids that problem

My thoughts exactly.

Read all about types of infinities.

Read about the aleph number... en.wikipedia.org...

Yep there are different kinds of infinity.

The number of real numbers are "greater" than the number of natural numbers. And get this, there are as many even (or odd) numbers as there are natural numbers.

Basically infinity is a concept.

All you did was subtracting the numbers

What you did is this...

1+2+3+.... = +infinity
-1-2-3-... = -infinity


surprise surprise it comes out to be zero

you didn't really subtract infinity from infinity

reply to post by Deaf Alien


The way I see it is that -infinity and +infinity are potential infinities, zero is the pinnacle of these two infinities because it is where they meet, so zero is actual infinity.

Does that make sense?

reply to post by Deaf Alien

Basically infinity is a concept.

Potential infinity is a concept. Eternity is an actuality (granted of course ones belief in it).

Actually the idea of actual infinity is paradoxical in itself.

It would have to include that idea in itself and also nothing in itself.

reply to post by Deaf Alien

It would have to include that idea in itself and also nothing in itself.

I don't follow, can you paraphrase for me.

Read up on Zeno of Elea. It's impossible yet possible.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Ok. The actual infinity has to include the idea that it doesn't exist. Also it has to include that the fact that it exist. And it loops on itself. It HAS to include everything. Get it?

Read up on Gödel's incompleteness theorem.

From wiki (en.wikipedia.org...)

Many theories of interest include an infinite set of axioms, however. To verify a formal proof when the set of axioms is infinite, it must be possible to determine whether a statement that is claimed to be an axiom is actually an axiom. This issue arises in first order theories of arithmetic, such as Peano arithmetic, because the principle of mathematical induction is expressed as an infinite set of axioms (an axiom schema).

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


LOL sorry. It has been a while since I've studied this. Just so you know this is a age old question.

I will try my best.

But the OP went the wrong way about it. But I think I understand what he was trying to say.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


So in other word

Nothing and Everything exist at the same time?

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Pretty much I guess. My head hurts.