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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by charles1952
Think of it this way: if nature is god, it doesn't need creation, because it is the creator.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
There is no evidence for anything supernatural, only things that have not been explained by science.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
I agree, but that doesn't mean something that is seen as 'supernatural' can never be explained by science as completely natural.
I agree with that completely, just as it's worded. But I would maintain that if something is supernatural, then science does not have, and can never have, a device to measure it. Science can measure matter, forces, and energy, but that's it. It cannot measure anything that doesn't fit into those categories.
I agree, but that doesn't mean something that is seen as 'supernatural' can never be explained by science as completely natural.
The same way some people believe the supernatural doesn't exist. Belief. I happen to think the evidence supporting my belief is sufficient, others may not. But I don't see measuring instruments deciding it one way or the other.
How do you know something supernatural exists?
If you're saying that the universe is completely natural, then it can not have the supernatural in it, you're arguing that in a place without "A" you cannot find "A." That's correct, but trivial. I don't think the universe is completely natural.
Nothing supernatural can exist in a completely natural universe.
Sorry, I don't see why that has to be true.
If god is supernatural, he cannot operate within this natural universe,
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by maes2
By your logic, god cannot exist because god is something isn't it?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Greatest I am
Believing without knowing is worshiping an idol.
Do not make any idols or images of me, said God.edit on 13-8-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MamaJ
Eta: is the proof of the op in the last video because the other videos did not prove the existence of God other than a delusion of mental health and ritualistic behavior.edit on 13-8-2012 by MamaJ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by skepticconwatcher
Great post! I especially like the thumbs down part, very insightful. /sarcasm
As for the OP, I haven't watched the videos yet because I don't have the time right now, but I will have to agree with the idol worship part.
The idols most worship is not god as you say though, but Jesus/Muhammad/Krishna/etc., they are the false prophets that god speaks of throwing into the lake of fire along with the beast. It's funny how they discourage worshiping false prophets, yet they do not realize that's exactly what they are doing now.
All these false religions and false prophets are the reason we are in the 'lake of fire' as we speak, because most are content with sitting on their hands waiting for Jesus or whoever to come back and fix everything for them instead of being proactive about it themselves.
edit on 13-8-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Science does explain the existence of God. Why don't you pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask him to show you how .
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Science explains the existence of God.
No it doesn't.
Science is limited by methodological naturalism, its basis. That means that it not only has nothing to say about God (or anything supernatural), by definition, it CANNOT say anything about God.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by adjensen
Dear adjensen,
Your statement is a fundamental truth, I see no way that it can be rejected. Thank you for posting it.
To the OP in general; if you think Science can explain the feeling inside upon hearing Handel's Messiah, that brought a King to his feet in awe; if you believe science can explain by formula your feelings upon seeing a loved one after a long absence; if you can look at the Pieta then refer to a scientific table to explain your emotions; then you are a man with no soul, or a dead one. Indeed, I think that a person like that would lose the privelege of being called human and would be confined for his illness.
With respect,
Charles1952
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Science does explain the existence of God. Why don't you pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask him to show you how .
Because man has little if anything to learn from a genocidal God who had his son needlessly murdered.
Regards
DL