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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Greatest I am
Believing without knowing is worshiping an idol.
Do not make any idols or images of me, said God.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Science does explain the existence of God. Why don't you pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask him to show you how .
Because man has little if anything to learn from a genocidal God who had his son needlessly murdered.
Regards
DL
I dont believe in that kind of God.... So..... Am I still delusional and or mental? Lol
As far as supernatural and ....just " natural".....
I say we are on a planet that spins in space and ... That to me is supernatural! Science does indeed explain such that is most definitely supernatural! Its all in the mind what you choose to see. Do you see fragments of the entire picture or the whole picture? It matters.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Remember the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks? He made a face on the volleyball and called him Wilson. We know that Wilson was the name of the brand of the volleyball but to him it became more than a volleyball, it became his confidante and constant companion. While Wilson is a tangible object, to him it was a transcendent being because of the faith placed in it. Does that mean Wilson was transcendent? To us, no.
If you look for God solely within the observable tangibility then you miss out on the greater meaning.
Originally posted by VirginMaryISGod
reply to post by Greatest I am
You've seen to make some good points, Greatest I am. Though I am an idol worshiper (hence my ATS name), there could actually be truths' to your arguments (and I say this objectively). Subjectively, my personal experiences say otherwise (which I can't prove).....but other than that, it would be hard to argue your point. Now (I may be ignorant of this thread for saying this); I didn't exactly watch all of the Youtube Vidoes (I only watched a glimpse of all of them - emphasizing the mentioning of my ignorance), but the last video with the map and the lecturer with the professor explaining it - did catch my attention; it caught my attention because of the transition he made from 'religious denominations' (principles of humanity come out based on "where you happen to be born") to dinosaur extinction; that piece of the lecturer, in my opinion, sounds all too real!
I probably did just make a post on "fluff"; I guess what I wanted to say is that your thread pointers would be hard
to argue.
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Greatest I am
Believing without knowing is worshiping an idol.
Do not make any idols or images of me, said God.
I believe he also said "no Gods before me." That means no Jesus before God.
In truth though, the word "worship," means loosely, "work," or to "work for," so, in essence, work for the idol? How does one do that?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Greatest I am
It's a miracle, it's all supernatural.
This is the supreme being.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Science does explain the existence of God. Why don't you pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask him to show you how .
Because man has little if anything to learn from a genocidal God who had his son needlessly murdered.
Regards
DL
I dont believe in that kind of God.... So..... Am I still delusional and or mental? Lol
As far as supernatural and ....just " natural".....
I say we are on a planet that spins in space and ... That to me is supernatural! Science does indeed explain such that is most definitely supernatural! Its all in the mind what you choose to see. Do you see fragments of the entire picture or the whole picture? It matters.
If natural is supernatural to you then I guess the conversation is not going to go anywhere. You have put physics as supernatural. That will surprise the physicists.
Who is your God?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Remember the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks? He made a face on the volleyball and called him Wilson. We know that Wilson was the name of the brand of the volleyball but to him it became more than a volleyball, it became his confidante and constant companion. While Wilson is a tangible object, to him it was a transcendent being because of the faith placed in it. Does that mean Wilson was transcendent? To us, no.
Tom Hank's character was engaged in a form of self-delusion.......
If you look for God solely within the observable tangibility then you miss out on the greater meaning.
Maybe, but we'd still have physical evidence for your gods existence. And seeing as your not denying my premise are you agreeing that there's no reason why any supernatural influence (i.e your god) in the physical universe couldn't be detected by science?
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Science does explain the existence of God. Why don't you pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ask him to show you how .
Because man has little if anything to learn from a genocidal God who had his son needlessly murdered.
Regards
DL
I dont believe in that kind of God.... So..... Am I still delusional and or mental? Lol
As far as supernatural and ....just " natural".....
I say we are on a planet that spins in space and ... That to me is supernatural! Science does indeed explain such that is most definitely supernatural! Its all in the mind what you choose to see. Do you see fragments of the entire picture or the whole picture? It matters.
If natural is supernatural to you then I guess the conversation is not going to go anywhere. You have put physics as supernatural. That will surprise the physicists.
Who is your God?
Regards
DL
In your opinion it may surprise the entire community, however I disagree. :-)
There are many who believe just as I do.
Who is my God?
Well, my God is love. Pure spirit that loves his creation! The creator of light. The creator of all things both physical and non physical.
My God is a part of every single thing he created. I say he.... But He has no gender in my opinion as he is pure spirit. The spirit that holds everything together. He is the Master mathematician. He is the Master Physicist. He is what gives us thought. He is the light that allows us to see. He is everything and anyone we can imagine He is.
He just IS.
Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by Greatest I am
Who is you God?
This is your thread, yet Ive failed for some reason to understand or even hear you pov.
Please clarify.
Thanks!
Jenn
From your literal POV, since the bible tells us to use God as our guide and example to good living, be ye as perfect as God type of thinking, then do you really see your God giving us an example of a deadbeat dad who runs away from his duty to his child?
For God to use Mary like that, he would have had to break his own commandment of not coveting another man's woman.
Does your God not have to follow his own rules and commandments? Please do not say that God own us and can do whatever he likes, moral or not. The Godhead I know follows the rules it gives.
Originally posted by VirginMaryISGod
reply to post by Greatest I am
Greatest I am, first I would like to mention my gratitude for recognizing my post! Thank you.
Based on personal experiences I've had of Jesus and Mary, I needed to succumb to 'personal terms' with myself (hence my ATS name; lets just say that I had WAY TOOO many apparitions of Mary, Interior Locutions, a couple of "Visions" of Jesus, and surreal dreams: connecting some dreams I've had to the apparitions locutions, and visions). Now, my ATS name should be treated is just pure speculation...because I can't prove (other than to myself based on "experiences").
Now, lets talk about your post:
Originally posted by VirginMaryISGod
reply to post by Greatest I am
Greatest I am, first I would like to mention my gratitude for recognizing my post! Thank you.
From your literal POV, since the bible tells us to use God as our guide and example to good living, be ye as perfect as God type of thinking, then do you really see your God giving us an example of a deadbeat dad who runs away from his duty to his child?
Good question; it would be hard to answer because my response would have a mix of beliefs; whether to to be held as "religious" (in context with the bible) or non-religious. I'll tell you this though; *under my belief* while it does seem as Joseph (same person were talking about in reference to "deadbeat dad") did disappeared, there more to the story than what meets the "eyes" (emphasis on "non religious" ideals that I mentioned ago). I would like to answer it (I do really); but knowing that this thread is listed under Faith, Religion, and Theology; unfortunately, I cannot go much further in answering this question.
For God to use Mary like that, he would have had to break his own commandment of not coveting another man's woman.
EXCELLENT QUOTE (I might add!). First, I would like to digest your quote; and share some perspective on it. Yes, it seems as if God might of broken his own commandment! But, even in this issue, there's more than what meet the "eyes" (disclaimer: my opinion):
God and Mary and Joseph. Hard topic to speak of, especially when this event alone encompasses lots of beliefs to it. I will *attempt* to explain *mine* (oh boy, this is going to be HARD):
The God I (maybe "we"???) know of - presented especially under the circumstances of Jesus' birth - never did come in person. Something we can agree on? God, to me, IS SOOO POWERFUL (emphasis on this) God CAN distort reality, physics, and break barriers within the field of science (I apologize for this statement knowing its a "non-religious" statement...I'll get to the point). Now, knowing the possibility that God can break science barriers, in God's situation, can God (then using the Angel Gabriel as a messenger) impregnate Mary w/o a "seed?" If my belief of God "breaking barriers" is correct, then I will say this: the way I use the word, "coveting" is that, yes, God DID impregnate Mary - but under what circumstances? Under the circumstances that there was no 'sexual' contact with Mary (by God) NOR possibly even a "seed" to start the pregnancy process. Therefore, maybe God did not covet (by definition of the word) Mary because there was no biblical reference of 'sexual' contact between God and Mary; but Jesus was born nevertheless - thus maybe making a claim that no, God did not break a commandment (and no, I would not be defending God by this explanation). I guess, in tradition, that is what makes the birth special!? *TREAT this explanation as only ONE explanation though*
Does your God not have to follow his own rules and commandments? Please do not say that God own us and can do whatever he likes, moral or not. The Godhead I know follows the rules it gives.
I like you way of thinking, Greatest I am!!! Let me explain:
God does have his own rules and commandments (one MAIN one actually), let it be known that all commandments and rules follow one theme: 'consequences'. God has to contend with the 'forces of consequences.' I also use the word, consequences, by its definitive meaning. AND BECAUSE OF THIS REASON ALONE, no, God DOES NOT own us and CANNOT DO whatever "he" likes moral or not. Hope this helps a little bit. Again, another opinion of mine.
I was not referring to Joseph being a deadbeat dad. I was referring to God just dropping a child and taking off.
If God cannot do whatever he likes then what was he doing all those times he was killing us? Most Christians say that he can kill us and do whatever he likes because he is God. You disagree so how do you judge his killing actions all over the bible?
As to Jesus, he was to be of David's line and cannot be if he was impregnated by angels or God. As to his coveting Mary, you will note that in the commandment of coveting, he places women with houses and donkeys so no sexual intent is required in coveting. It is a sin of desire. Not sex. God coveted/desired another's wife for reproduction and he thus broke his commandment and sinned.
As to Jesus, he was to be of David's line and cannot be if he was impregnated by angels or God. As to his coveting Mary, you will note that in the commandment of coveting, he places women with houses and donkeys so no sexual intent is required in coveting. It is a sin of desire. Not sex. God coveted/desired another's wife for reproduction and he thus broke his commandment and sinned.