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Not that it really matters, because everyone who penned the Gospels knew there would be a mother-lode of people reading it.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Deetermined
Actually, all it says is believing in him (his message that he gave forth), that's it. Jesus didn't say you have to attend church, get baptized, engage in communion, or any of the sort. But, you just say yes he did?
Originally posted by visualmiscreant
reply to post by jhill76
Is it a conscious choice, or is he misled by his own understanding of things as presented by those he has learned from; or by what he has learned on his own?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by MamaJ
All true. John 2:23-25 outlines the fact that Jesus does not need our testimony. Our hearts reveal the truth of the matter. As you say, there is no need to judge another, just speak the truth.
Absolutely!
Regardless of any message out there, each person's spirit will hear the message that it was meant to hear and receive.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Deetermined
Actually, all it says is believing in him (his message that he gave forth), that's it. Jesus didn't say you have to attend church, get baptized, engage in communion, or any of the sort. But, you just say yes he did?
Where did I say you have to attend church, get baptized or engage in communion?
Yes, it takes believing in him. Believing in him required believing his message. Part of his message was that HE WAS THE MESSIAH!
Originally posted by visualmiscreant
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Good to see that you haven't left us. You certainly add to my understanding of things. There are many here who do.
(On topic)
Personally, I have seen two ways mentioned in the Bible. My understanding may be limited however..
There is the acceptance of Christ as your saviour, and
There is the living by the law; which has pretty much been described as impossible.
I have chosen Christ, who was sacrificed for me (and everyone else). Surely I have not followed the law by the letter, nor could I. If there is another way, I'm truly not interested in changing now; nor would I teach others that.
That's just me...
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Right. He is long-suffering and willing to go after the lost sheep. We are limiting ourselves as Christians to one life. This is not the case. We are born again, just as Jesus says. We must be born again.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by visualmiscreant
There is the living by the law; which has pretty much been described as impossible.
This is what others will tell you is impossible, but it is not. Father said there was none righteous no not no one. Man can overcome, he just chooses not to. If man did, Brother wouldn't have had to come down.edit on 20-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
I said doing other things Christianity requires you to, and you said actually yes it does.
I did not say you can discount whom he was. I said simply believing in his message on how to treat others, and not engaging in sin, could you still get into heaven. Others keep bringing other aspects into this (whom he was, his sacrifice, etc.) I am not asking about that, I am strictly talking about can you imitate his life and get into heaven. You still haven't addresses my question.
If we're strictly talking about imitating Christ as being the only way, I think I've already made that very clear. NO! We have to believe the whole message, not just one aspect of it.
I'm not sure what you're talking about above.
Jhill76 That's good quotes, but it still does not say you must be a Christian and do the extra items Christianity requires you to do, to get you into heaven.
You Actually, I think it does. If you think otherwise, please point out using scripture. Thanks!
Originally posted by jhill76
I didn't say others don't believe in the whole message, you implied that. Christianity has many rules to follow, that Brother didn't say to do, Paul and the others said this, not him. I am asking, can you follow his teachings, and still get into heaven? I never said not to believe the other stuff, I am asking just this.
The one thing that Jesus did tell people that would cause them to die in their sin was not believing that God sent him (Jesus) to be their MESSIAH!
Originally posted by jhill76
I am asking, can you follow his teachings, and still get into heaven? I never said not to believe the other stuff, I am asking just this.
the answer is an infinite loop of perception.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by stupid girl
the answer is an infinite loop of perception.
Yes, it is. Thank you for your answer. I think if others saw it like you saw it (my question), they would understand what I am getting at.
edit on 20-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)