The Left Celebrates the 4th of July by Slamming America

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Usually people that listen to Rush Limbaugh live in this weird fantasy world where racism against minorities doesn't exist currently in the USA.

The problem with Americans, on average, is simply that they ignore 99.9% of what the rest of the world really is.

And I'm saying this in full knowledge of it. I work in an environment where I meet people from 47 countries practically speaking every week. That includes a lot of Americans. And I have personally never have made a difference on people because of their origin. I do not fall for stupid prejudices.

Yet, it is with great sadness that I have to witness the blunt and blatant ignorance of nearly all americans I know towards the rest of the world. I hate to have to say this, but Americans are on average uneducated, arrogant and racists.

Most of americans have never left and will never leave their borders. And because of serious deficiencies in education, many of those have no idea of the rest of the world. Ask them to pick Switzerland, Irak or even Japan on the map of the world. They don't know, it's not their country, and sadder even, they don't care.

The son of my best friend (who is american, so don't accuse me of bashing what I don't know, of being anti-american or other insanities please) was 12 when they left US for Europe, for Belgium more precisely. His teacher asked him "Oh Belgium! What part of Germany is that then?"... a TEACHER!!! That person should be sacked on the spot. What kind of ignorance is that for a teacher??? This is extremely shocking!

Another (sadly, typical) example. When in 2003 the US decided with Great Britain to attack Irak, most other countries in Europe were against it, including Belgium. I have met a young lad back then, who was refusing to leave the base because he was afraid... AFRAID! of walking out in Belgium!!! How brainwashed could he have been??? This is absolutely sad.

And as far as "patriotism" is involved... That is a lie. A very bad lie. Patriotism is not about hating others, about ignoring others, about criticising others. It is not about accepting everything that the country or the president says or does as universal truth. Patriotism is about being proud of your country, but it certainly does not dismiss the right to say it when something is wrong. And many things are wrong about America.

Why are americans so badly perceived around the world? Well, I suppose I've given a few examples above. I am living with things like those every damn day here. And for many, many people here, Americans are just stupid, arrogant, and even vulgar. I am so sorry to say, but I'm not surprised. This is about the general attitude of Americans with regards to the rest of the world. You know, when in MY country an american (or for the fact, any other foreigner) tells me that everything sucks here, that it's just better than all over there (in the US, i.e.), I have only one answer: then leave the place, stop being insultant to me and my country, and never return. And that's well deserved.

Now, all this... Again, I am not anti-american. I am anti-stupid people. There are stupid people from US, from UK, from Italy, from Japan, from Brazil, from everywhere in the world. But it seems to me that the greater a country is, the more its people is closed-minded, and that's extremely sad.

On the other hand, many of them who have come here, return having changed. They had an opportunity to live in another place, with different habits and customs, and a different way of living. And many, trust me, liked it a lot. They opened a bit about the rest of the world, because they went out of their closet.

This being said, I sincerely hope that you all had a great 4th of July. I personally had a great one too in here Great party, lots of great american music, american bikes, american people (and many friends in those, trust me), american foods and drinks, american shows & stuff. I had myself an american flag to wave there. Who said I was anti-american?

You can be a "good american" (what does that mean btw?) and still be open to the world. And accept all sorts of criticising about your country and your people.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

Usually people that listen to Rush Limbaugh live in this weird fantasy world where racism against minorities doesn't exist currently in the USA.

Hopefully someday I can go without feeling guilty for crimes I didn't commit. Slaves were owned by the rich, the same rich that owns us all now. The vast, vast majority of whites didn't own slaves, so the subject becomes frustrating.

Rocks point is dead on, but we'll never have true equality unless we forgive crimes that weren't committed by the people taking all the blame. If you marry a woman who divorced a man who beat her, should you take the blame and verbal abuse she gives you because you're also a man? Divide and conquer.

Originally posted by TylerKing
If you marry a woman who divorced a man who beat her, should you take the blame and verbal abuse she gives you because you're also a man?

Of course, no. But that's not even the point. Some people just can't take criticism, justified or not, and feel bashed.

If people, celebrities even, are having a good time in bashing, let them do. What does it do? Nothing.

And btw, calling them left or right or whatever is the first thing to blame. Because that's judging people on their political ideas, but not about their political ideas.

reply to post by RealSpoke


it means that the shackles have been removed!! regardless of race, gender, or whatever, you can reach as high as you desire, or should be able to. ya, there are things still holding many of us back, but it's not our past issues with slavery that is as much a problem and the present day problems we are having....

like, oh, I don't know....some one spouts their mouth off (comedians are paid to do this by the way!!), and of course someone has to come along and label them and try to rile up the people to promote their political agenda. meanwhile, europe's on the brink of bankruptcy, the us economy is in the gutter, our gov't (both parties) are so far out of touch with reality they'll sit there and tell you with a bold face that their is no inflation, like they haven't been in a store in ages. probably haven't, they have maids to handle such trivial tasks.

it's rediculous!! for anyone griping about slavery, do you realize that it was fellow black people that sold your ancestors to slavery? do you realize that many white people ended up in this country pretty much as slaves also? do you realize they were selling white women to the men in new orleans to be their wives?? and do you realize that there is still plenty of slavery still going on in africa??? hate this country that much, why don't you just go back to africa, and well.....maybe you might get the priviledge learning first hand just what your ancestors had to go through!!! otherwise, why can't we all just recognize that there's all kinds of attrocities that all of our ancestors did to one another, learn the lessons that history presents to us concerning those, and well, be grateful that mankind seems to be growing out of that kind of mindset, or most of us...
and well, be like the jews, and say...
NEVER AGAIN!!!

reply to post by seabag


All I have to say to the OP is "lol" @ "the Left" - I mean really, 90%+ of Americans are either "left" or "right", and 99% of those are actually fool enough to believe "their side" is right and supports what America is supposed to be, while those few of us -not in the middle- but actual Americans are nothing but outliers, shaking our heads at how easily duped and confused the rest of our populace is. It sickens me how easily they tricked most of you into this illusory left/right paradigm. Well...the plan is working. Eyes, meet wool. Enjoy your continues blindness.

What is more patriotic than criticism?

I love my country enough to call it out when required. I love it enough to know it isn't perfect.

The "My country, right or wrong" crowd aren't doing themselves or this country any favors with their star-spangled whitewashing of our history.

The title of this is a little misleading "The Left Celebrates the 4th of July by Slamming America". Chris Rock does not speak for the entirety of the democrats in this country. He is entitled to speak his mind, regardless of how much money he has made. But remember he is a comedian whose thing is social commentary. Everyone is talking about it...and he has a movie coming out. If you think about it...kinda smart eh?

Why do we always have to divide everything in to left and right? For frick's sake everything is reported as oh the left said this or republicans said that...this is not helping our national dialogue. We need to stop knee-jerking into divisiveness. We need understand that we all want a better country...no the left does not hate America, and no they're not socialists, and neither is the president for that matter, and the right are not facists or anything else. We are all patriotic Americans who want to make our country truly great. We all have different ideas on how to accomplish this but we all want the same thing. We need to figure out how to come together and forget our differences and not ride the party line for the sake of the party. We live in a country that is, for the most part, free and we've worked hard for that freedom. This kind of b***sh*t is starting to get really really old

reply to post by acuna


Funny how all the "enlightened" people here on ATS that "deny ignorance" still play the left/right/Democrat/Republican game.

reply to post by jtap66


Yeah it's really getting old. I think it's shallow and narrow-minded. But this condition can be treated with a little objective reasoning and research using objective non partisan sources. Glad someone agrees. Cheers!

reply to post by seabag


Tell ya what little TeaBag, you know - that group that advocates armed revolution . . . that group that is composed of Traitors to America . . . why don't you go look up "straw man argument" and get back to me. I'll wait.

Nothing moire disgusting that the great traitors to America . .. the Tea Party and it's cancerous ilk.

reply to post by seabag


Don't you have more urgent issues to attend to than to care about what people - complete strangers to you - post on twitter ?

You must either lead a very boring life, or have a more sinister agenda.

P.s. : Are you still falling for the left / right paradigm ? I pity you.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by Numbers33four
Stupid people fall for the left/right dialectic. They have been programmed to shut down and refuse to consider certain ugly truths. Will people ever escape the divide and conquer? No. They will continue to defend the side they have been programmed to be loyal to and slam the other side. They refuse to see that their side is virtually identical to the other side in its actions and especially the outcomes: debt, war, demoralization of the populace and general downward spiral.

Amen brother. I was taught to be proud of alot of things I now know were propoganda. We were all taught these lies growing up. It turns out I was a sheep blindly following a system of greed, hate and corruption. On the 4th of July I did not celebrate. Instead I reflected on how messed up the world is. Still I hold out hope that we'll get things straightened out.... Somehow.

you reflected on how bad the world is lol cmon

you will never be happy doin that

reply to post by H1ght3chHippie


Haha, people need to hate on something...or they start hating themselves. Because if they hate the REAL enemy, they realize they can't do anything. And there's nothing worse than being both furious, terrified and helpless at the same time. You might as well be a mouse.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by seabag

 

Irony.

They are using products created by American innovation and days off provided by the celebration to insult the country that allows them the freedom to say whatever they want.

Yes but these products were created by left wing innovators.

Artists and inventors tend to be on the left while the rightwing tend to be the grubbers.

Anyway, how do you knows comments are from Americans? The entire planet is pissed off with the American-Israelo Axis and the comments could be internationals.

reply to post by seabag


Chris Rock is a racist scum bag and acts like he is the 2nd coming of Kunta Kinte. You can see through his entire career his hatred for white people. His stupid show that was taken off the air was a nightly lesson of how Chris Rock hates white people and it's not just comedy. Racist filth like Chris Rock should be ignored. Stop watching his "comedy" specials. Stop going to his racist movies or watching his racist tv shows.

reply to post by Lannister


We wouldn't have that problem if our entire history weren't built on taking land from people who weren't white.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Lannister

 

We wouldn't have that problem if our entire history weren't built on taking land from people who weren't white.

lol all countries have this same history

reply to post by goou111


Yes, but none of the other countries defined "civilized" as "peaceful and cooperative". Either you fought to defend what you had, or you died and your killer took your wife and home.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Lannister

 

We wouldn't have that problem if our entire history weren't built on taking land from people who weren't white.

The natives were already over here fighting their own tribal wars against each other. I'm not saying they were treated right, but it was almost impossible to walk on the land without taking sides. It's not like the natives were sitting here all peaceful and then the big bad white man showed up. Slaves were purchased from their own people in Africa and brought to this country. The white man did not enslave them, they were already slaves when the white man showed up. At that point in time there were slaves everywhere in the world. There are people in this country that honestly believe that slavery started in America and only blacks had to deal with it. I would much rather be a black slave in America than a slave in Ancient Rome that were often placed on a cross for having an opinion or thrown in the arena for entertainment.

People like Chris Rock like to sit in the past and push their racist garbage that does nothing but divide people. Not one black man alive was ever a slave and not one white man alive was ever a slave master. Infact, the only people that could even be considered close to a slave master in the United States are people like Steve Jobs and other ceos that ship jobs over seas to use slave labor in Asia. But see we don't say anything about that do we? No, we praise Steve Jobs as a Saint for bringing us toys and trinkets. Let's see Chris Rock talk about the black on black violence, abortion rate or drug problems within the black community. But see Chris Rock doesn't care about that because it doesn't involve the myth of the big bad white man that still to this day holds him back as he sits in his mansion.