Hugo Chavez: Warming Americans' hearts

reply to post by SkurkNilsen


It is strange to me how many people who know little truth about their own government are so quick to judge and label other peoples leaders based on info they get from their own lying scumbag governments.

I would bet that most of the people who form such strong negative opinions of other world leaders know barely any FACTS about them or how they truly run their business and countries.

Originally posted by miniatus
Chavez is motivated by politics.. his gestures are there to convince people he's less than horrible .. And by the fact you posted this, it's worked to some degree.. don't get me wrong, it's great he's done it .. and he can keep on doing it.. I won't mind! but his motivations are less than admirable.

I guess you think most foreign aid given by the USA is out of kindness and NOT politically motivated...that is just to funny!

The U.S. feeds 1/3 of the world. A lot of that is free food aid I might add. Hugo is a moron and typical of a central American dictator.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen
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Foreign Aid Per Capita

This link suggests otherwise.

Reguardless.

He is communist. I will never trade my freedom for warmth.

I read Venezuela is heading toward socialism.
The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil... I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
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—Albert Einstein, "Why Socialism?", May 1949

At this time they are a "A federal republic is a federation of states with a republican form of government. A federation is the central government. The states in a federation also maintain the federation. Usage of the term republic is inconsistent but, as a minimum, it means a state or federation of states that does not have a monarch."
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...:Venezuela

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by AzureSky

Helping heat grannies house with some of his oil? Thats pretty nice of him to help support some americans. Seeing as how the american government won't.

Its not the governments job to heat my house. I want as little government intrusion in my life as possible.

They should build infrastructure, defend our borders and be responsible for law enforcement on a local and national level. Not being heartless, i also think a welfare system should be in place to provide for those mentally or physically disabled, but not the capable working folk. Those people who choose not to work shouldnt take away from those who do.

"Granny" is not on welfare, she worked and paid into SS until retired...cost of expenses has risen past the income of a lot of Americans but especially a single person on SS retirement. we have 80 year old's working at fast food places so they can eat after giving a lifetime into the system.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
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I cannot know what his intentions are, but I look at his record with his own people and he has continued along that path which is taking care of the poor and middle class first.

And he is also shutting down free press left right and center. I believe last year the last free voice of the people was muzzled.

www.time.com...

That article shows how he and his party have systematically muzzled the free press in his country. Its kind of hard for people to speak out against his policies when they have no voice, isnt it?

I dont think you realize how serious the banning of a free press is. People cannot speak out, other political parties have no voice. True communism in effect. I have no doubt they are now a one party government.

edit on 2-2-2012 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

It is muzzled here in the US to, they simply give you some nice looking actors to look at and some clothing styles to look over so you don't even notice!

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
reply to post by miniatus

 

Yes allegations of voter fraud has been going on since he was first elected. I am fully aware that dictators often hold dummie elections, we do here in the US too (contrary to what most believe). Is he a dictator? I don't know maybe he is maybe he isn't. He obviously has a lot of enemies, especially in the high rung of society and history has shown that with enough funding you can find "professionals" to make an argument that the sky is red, if that is your agenda. Money rules the world, and truth is usually the first victim if it is in the way.

Let me say one thing however, if it is true that he is rigging votes and shutting down free press then he is no better than those that he demonizes.

edit on 2-2-2012 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

"Is he a dictator? " if he is the so was Bush and so are most of the leaders we have in recent decades. Also where have gone the in depth reporting of investigative reporters...real news?

reply to post by SkurkNilsen


Did you forget what kind of country the US is? That is exactly why they demonize him. If he was the type to screw his people over while sitting in luxury, the States would have been in bed with him years ago. When it comes to the so-called enemies that they have manufactured, it always seems to be the ones that want to give back to their citezenry. Pretty ass-backwards eh?

I read the article, and it is flat out propaganda. Chavez helps a handful of people in the US and is touted as a benevolent savior? People ought to look at the federal deficit and national debt for once.

The National Debt Is $15.3 Trillion!

The Treasury Department has the third largest expense in the federal budget. Only Defense and income redistribution (The Departments of Health and Human Services, HUD, and Agriculture (food stamps)) is higher. As the debt increases, so does the interest payment. Social spending is the largest item in our federal budget.

Social spending is the largest item in the federal budget, and people are jumping for joy because a little pot belly dictator sends over a few barrels of heating oil? All Chavez is doing by his acts of kindness is throwing egg on the face of the US, and earning some political points along the way. Just reinforcing his cult of personality.

Here is the point, people who are down on the luck are being helped. The quote above is an example of that. Do some people fall through the cracks? Of course they do. However, there is a social safety net. Lets not get into how much foreign aid the US awards to other countries as well. Hugo's contribution to world poverty would look like a drop in the bucket. We are talking about billions and trillions of dollars.

The problem is people and politicians have used and abused the social safety net, and therefore it has become unsustainable. That is why people that legitimately need assistance are not getting it. The US is going bankrupt, and that is the cold hard truth. Just imagine Detroit on a national scale. Just look at the numbers.

To be fair, since some love to go out of their way to tout a strong man who has consolidated power, and crushes opposition wherever it arises. Here is Human Rights Watch's assessment of Venezuela.

World Report 2012: Venezuela

The weakening of Venezuela’s democratic system of checks and balances under President Hugo Chávez has contributed to a precarious human rights situation. Without judicial checks on its actions, the government has systematically undermined the right to free expression, workers’ freedom of association, and the ability of human rights groups to protect rights.

I know Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Oliver Stone, and the rest of the celebrity circus will say they are lying. To each their own. By all means take his heating oil, and whatever else he has up his sleeve. His cult of personality continues to grow stronger. Above all, just don't ever disagree with him, because guys like him will make your life a living hell.

Hitler and the National Socialists also instituted some generous welfare state benefits, move along.........

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen


Hugo Chavez is demonized by the U.S at the same time he is offering help to those 99%, in addition to his oil for the poor program he also is responsible for heating around 250 homeless shelters around the U.S and economic programs for Native-Americans.

In my opinion this is a showcase of the US's double standards of presenting themselves as the forefront of democracy and freedom, while at the same time funding coups against democratically elected governments around the world.

rt.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I think it is well past the time that people like you that throw around the 99% number put up some sources. 99% of what? The population? Show me that poll. This class warefare that our great uniter has created will take years for us to overcome, especially since so many have drank the kool-aid.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Chavez is a piece of crap Communist.

Every Venezuelan expat I have talked to despises this communist piece of dung.

Yeah, such a "piece of crap" that his government took land from the elite so it could be used to produce food for the people. Also he put medical centres on practically every block of his country, including in the slums. That's free medical, by the way.

Such a "piece of crap" that the CIA tried to replace him with a more compliant military regime, only to release him two days later after massive uprisings by his population. That's real democracy, by the way, but I guess democracy only happens in corporate America, eh?

Yeah have you seen the shape these medical centers are in and the tech they are using and the qualifications of alot of the staff?

P.s. YOu DO know how much land our gov contracts from farmers here in the US to feed not only the US but other countries.............are you even aware of how much of the worlds food is produced right here in the United States?

I think the question is, are YOU aware? Because I know I am.

How much American food is produced for the world? You mean Monsanto bio-engineered food that is given as "food aid" and designed to destroy the food industry of dependent countries so they have no choice but to buy monsanto seeds to survive? No wonder why starving populations burn American food aid

Maybe you should look into what IPRs are (Intellectual Property Rights). They are modern colonialism in the sense that leading industrial nations own IPRs on methods and products that indigineous people the world over have been using for thousands of years. American corporations are among the top owners of IPRs, and they are very happy to sell back to the people the very same products they have made and used forever, at expensive prices- and more than willing to sue them under the WTO if they dare produce their own goods that Americans own IPRs on.

Sounds very useful for global development, eh?

nightbringr-
Oh yeah. Free. Of course the doctors require no pay, the medicine is free and so on. We all know it comes from tax money, which the people pay for. There is no such thing as free, even in countries with free medicare. You know that as well as I, dont you Dimirti, your a Canadian too.

Are you serious? Did you just claim that Venezuela's socialist medicare program is a bad thing because its paid for by taxes?

I mean, this is seriously mind-boggling to me. I don't get what you're saying. Do you, as a Canadian, not seem to understand how important fundamental and universal healthcare is? Especially within a developing nation?

If you have such a problem with this concept, then by all means stop paying Canadian medicare premiums and only receive medical attention from a private service. That way my taxes won't be paying for your bullsh*t.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because we all know the government is the best people to be running any business.

Yeah, I damn well think government is a lot more efficient than leaving things up to corporations and the private sector. Got a problem with that?

The governments of the world have proven time and time again they are the LEAST capable people to run a business. Why? Because a good business is an efficient business and we all know that governments are horribly inefficient.

Bullocks to that.

Magnificient-
He is a communist and the poor are weak toward communistic ideas such as nationalized health care, subsidized housing, fuel, groceries, etc.

OH GOOD LORD, better get on your moral high horse and assassinate Chavez while bombing his country back into the 60s because the evil communist is attempting to provide for his people and better his country. Obviously Americans know best about what other countries should do, hence why the US spent the cold war propping up pro-US dictatorships in South America that halted all development and murdered/tortured millions just so the US could exploit their resources.

Warming them over a slow roasting fire. So he can eat them later!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...ha..ha..um...hurm..

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Chavez is a piece of crap Communist.

Every Venezuelan expat I have talked to despises this communist piece of dung.

I wish I could get the same amount of stars you got for making an identical statement as yours:

"US regime is a piece of crap capitalist.

Every American expat I have talked to despises this capitalists piece of dung."

Now keep the stars flowing please, I want the same amount of stars as mike_trivisonno..

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen


Hugo Chavez is demonized by the U.S at the same time he is offering help to those 99%, in addition to his oil for the poor program he also is responsible for heating around 250 homeless shelters around the U.S and economic programs for Native-Americans.

In my opinion this is a showcase of the US's double standards of presenting themselves as the forefront of democracy and freedom, while at the same time funding coups against democratically elected governments around the world.

rt.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

So Hugo Chavez wants to "warm" the American hearts on charity.... Oh so I hope he starts by giving away, donating the US dollars that his daughter Rosinés Chavez flaunted in the Internet few days ago, sparking a wave of outrage among the Venezuelan sheeple, because the American money is strictly controlled and restricted for ordinary citizens in Venezuela:



You can find a lot of these protest parodies all over the South American Google, specially in Colombia:







Now we know where all the money seized by Chavez from private foreign companies and banks settled in Venezuela, did go... Perhaps the passionate and deluded worshipers of Hugo Chavez might wanna send him a message suggesting that he donates the dollars of his daughter for homeless people in the USA as well as for his own Venezuelan fellows...

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by SkurkNilsen

 

And which country donates more money and resources to other countries than any other country in the world? The USA.

You should have used the word "regimes" instead of "countries". US gives "quote unquote" "aid" to regimes around the world not for the people, most people recognize it as bribery.

Originally posted by insaan

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by SkurkNilsen

 

And which country donates more money and resources to other countries than any other country in the world? The USA.

You should have used the word "regimes" instead of "countries". US gives "quote unquote" "aid" to regimes around the world not for the people, most people recognize it as bribery.

Not only "regimes", but regimes ALIGNED with the bloody thirst warmonger imperialist interests of the US government.

reply to post by The1Prettiest1One

Wanna make a bet? How about $10,000? 65% of 10,000 leaves 3,500 and 65% of 1,000 leaves 350. The latter is more generous.

But which one accomplishes more? The latter may be more generous but it worth less in buying power. And it proves one of my personal issues with charity. It's not a competition for who gives more, it's about helping your fellows. But it seems to devolve into a peeing contest about who gives more.

Originally posted by nightbringr
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And which country donates more money and resources to other countries than any other country in the world? The USA.

Its all relative. Im not a huge fan of US foreign policy either. Hugo likes to make himself look good, all the while suppressing freedoms in his own country. Oldest trick in the book.

What the U.S. gives is not donations. They give bribes.

www.la.org.au...

Originally posted by theubermensch
What the U.S. gives is not donations. They give bribes.

Well Chavez's little political bribery stunt has bought some people's opinions off dirt Cheap.
That's a pretty good deal apparently