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Originally posted by colbe
God can't be where sin is...
I don't agree with your proclaiming yourself to be "divine." You were created by God who alone is divine. He loves you so much, He desires to be present in you, His presence in you is called sanctifying grace.
"Am I the Sea, or some sea monster, that you should keep me under guard?"
Originally posted by novastrike81
Originally posted by colbe
God can't be where sin is...
Incorrect.
God was in the presence of Adam and Eve when they sinned; God allowed Satan into his presence in the book of Job; and if God is omnipresent, then he is in the presence of sin 24/7. Whoever told you God can't be in the presence of sin was being dishonest.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by colbe
I don't agree with your proclaiming yourself to be "divine." You were created by God who alone is divine. He loves you so much, He desires to be present in you, His presence in you is called sanctifying grace.
You are right, this is a discussion forum, and all opinions are welcomed, not just yours. Check your U2s, I sent you one I hope you will read with an open mind. We all, every one of us, have a spark of the Divine within us, how can you dispute this? And the God of the Bible (Yahweh) hates me, and anyone not on the side of the Reptilians. This God even appeared to me once, demanding that I fall down and worship him. I told him where to get off. I do not need, or want to be "saved," nor do I wish to give my heart, soul, and will to a dead man, colbe. I already have explained this Dragon God to you before, colbe, but you ignored me.
This is taken from the King James Bible, friend, look it up if you doubt me on this:
Here is a Biblical description of the Leviathan:
(Job 41:20)
"Out of his [Leviathan] nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth."
And here is description of Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament:
(Psalm 18:8, 2 Samuel 22:9)
"There went up a smoke out of his [Yahweh] nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it."
(Isaiah 27:1)
"Leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; the dragon that is in the sea."
These two are one and the same. Now you can love a Dragon if you wish, that is your right, but I will not. How can anyone dispute that
Yahweh is a Dragon?
I don't agree with your proclaiming yourself to be "divine." You were created by God who alone is divine.
Originally posted by autowrench
And, as your usual way, you did not respond to my U2, nor my post. Typical religious brainwashing....I feel sorry for you.
Originally posted by colbe
novastrike,
Yes God is omnipresent, He can see the sins committed on this earth.
I meant in saying God can't be where sin is...
I was speaking about God's presence in our soul. That is why Confession is very, very important to life of your soul. The reason Jesus established Confession. God can't be in you with serious sin on your soul. Catholics call it mortal sin. See...mortal to life of your soul and your soul is where God resides in you.
blessings,
colbe
Originally posted by novastrike81
Originally posted by colbe
novastrike,
Yes God is omnipresent, He can see the sins committed on this earth.
I meant in saying God can't be where sin is...
I was speaking about God's presence in our soul. That is why Confession is very, very important to life of your soul. The reason Jesus established Confession. God can't be in you with serious sin on your soul. Catholics call it mortal sin. See...mortal to life of your soul and your soul is where God resides in you.
blessings,
colbe
You still haven't dealt with the conundrum of God being in the presence of Adam and Eve when they sinned and being in the presence of Satan in the book of Job. He CAN be in the presence of sin. I can accept the omnipresence of him being within our souls as you put it though.
If he can't be within the presence of sin, then he can't be God cause he can't do everything.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by colbe
I do have have beliefs, I have ideas. A lot of them. What did you think about my post about Divine Spirits? We all have one, not just Christians. I do not worship the dead, and never will. I worship the God and Goddess inside, not out there somewhere. You do not know who it is, do you? All you seem to know is what someone told you to believe, unlike me, I read, a lot.
That was someone named YHWH, not to be confused with who we think of today as God.
You still haven't dealt with the conundrum of God being in the presence of Adam and Eve when they sinned and being in the presence of Satan in the book of Job.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by novastrike81
That was someone named YHWH, not to be confused with who we think of today as God.
You still haven't dealt with the conundrum of God being in the presence of Adam and Eve when they sinned and being in the presence of Satan in the book of Job.
YHWH is really more like what we would think of as a mighty angel.
They used some funny terminology in the Old Testament so you have to take that into consideration and it does not mesh with the New Testament which has a vastly superior God.
Was God there at the first temptation in the Garden?
You are absolutely right that the Bible is still influencing people today. But, I'm not entirely sure that the Bible is properly described as a book of law. The Old Testament was (and is) a book of law for some Jews, but the New Testament is seen more as a testimony of what people saw Jesus doing and saying. In fact, I think a good case could be made for saying the New Testament is a book of "You are no longer bound by the old law."
Why? Because the Bible has been considered a book of law for 2000 plus years of Christians, and political and religious leaders recognize the iconic power over people the book has, still to today.
A lot of the Bible I don't take literally, because it wasn't made to be taken literally. It is full of songs, poetry, and mystic visions. But there are parts of it that are to be taken literally. Some parts of the gospels provide reporting equal to anything you'd get from the New York Times.
The Bible can be used as a guidebook, but never take it as literal.
Virtually every world culture had identified the winged intelligent dragon as a real creature, and most of the earliest cultures recognize it as the creature that brought them knowledge of agriculture and technology.
There's another option here that might have slipped by you. That is the Jews thought they were worshipping Yahweh, but with their lives they showed they were actually worshipping Satan. This charge really riled the Jews up and helped lead to Jesus' death.
Jesus stated (rather, the NT stated) the Pharisees were worshipping a creature that was NOT his father. Many Christians claim Jesus meant Satan, but this does not make sense, for the Jews clearly worshipped Yahweh and clearly recognized Satan as a distinctly different creature which they definitely DID NOT worship.
That would be Gnosticism. (the first quoted sentence)
I completely agree that we are Divine Spirits residing within a human body. Is it really necessary to say one is "first and foremost?"